01:50:45 · John Coogan, Thibault Sottiaux, Bernt Øivind Børnich
[01:50:45] S1: How do you how are you thinking about the trade off between mobile, cloud, desktop, the Mac mini that went mega viral last year? Do you think that we'll stay in a hybrid pattern for the foreseeable future? Is it a person by person basis? Do you have a grand unifying theory of how agentic work happens in the future? [01:51:10] S4: Yeah. The way we think about it is no compromise. So you want to be able to use the same same AI partner, you know, like on your phone, on the go, it's just like, you know, I go walk in the park, I want the exact same thing. I want it on my laptop, I want it, you know, at home, maybe like running in a Mac mini, and it is more that it needs to be able to have access to all the things that are important in my life and not be constrained by the physical boundaries of like, you know, it's just like, hey, I started this prompt or I started this conversation on my phone and it's just like, now it's stuck on my phone. [01:51:40] S5: Yeah. Like, you know, we want
01:51:40 · Bernt Øivind Børnich, Thibault Sottiaux, Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[01:51:40] S5: Yeah. Like, you know, we want [01:51:41] S4: it to be uncompromising and so your AI, your ideal AI partner, think just, you know, has access to everything all the time and just, you know, processes the information as needed and then, you know, can act in a safe way and controlled way, you know, so that, you know, you always understand like what it's trying to do and, you know, if there's like something risky, you can approve it or ask it to change tack. And there I also think the mobile has a big role to play, right? So if five, six hours are busy working on something and then you just go out to dinner, it should ask you for permission to do something when you're there. Don't need to be stuck on your laptop. [01:52:18] S0: Yeah. Fast forwarding six or twelve months, how important is voice to someone's day to day experience with ChatGPT work slash codex? [01:52:30] S4: I don't think you would need to fast track it. You know, we shipped ChatGPT voice yesterday. [01:52:35] S0: No. I know I know. But but, you know, you assume, like, you know, oftentimes, like, something ships, you know, and it takes a little [01:52:42] S1: Everyone has to go on holiday break. [01:52:44] S0: Yeah. We have three day weekend. [01:52:45] S1: We have three day weekend and then everyone can test out the latest and and and integrate it into the workflows. Yeah.
01:52:45 · John Coogan, Thibault Sottiaux, Jordi Hays
[01:52:45] S1: We have three day weekend and then everyone can test out the latest and and and integrate it into the workflows. Yeah. [01:52:51] S4: It's just, you know, open a chat with the app, like, using it, latest voice. We also demoed it in Yeah. Livestream this morning, and it's very sort of super enjoyable, like magical experience when you first experience it, but also like, you know, on the fifth time as well. It's going to be part of like, you know, day to day experience, you know, of like how you work with these systems. We don't have it yet in the desktop app, but this is something that we're working towards, and when you experience it, it's like a modern day Jarvis, right? It's like you know, you just talk to it, you just walk in your room, and you know, suddenly it's just like doing things on your computer, you know, with the same level of like precision and power, you know, that you currently have over text. [01:53:31] S1: Yeah. It's amazing. Congratulations. Thank you so [01:53:35] S0: much. Hopefully, [01:53:36] S1: you can get some sleep. I'm sure it's crazy. [01:53:37] S0: Big days to come. [01:53:38] S1: Back to the one of five war rooms, whichever one you'll go to next. Have a great rest of your day. Congratulations. And we'll talk to you soon, Tiva. [01:53:45] S0: Cheers.
01:53:45 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Sean Frank
[01:53:45] S0: Cheers. [01:53:46] S1: Have great one. Goodbye. Let me tell you a route. Railway. Railway is the all in one intelligent cloud provider. Use your favorite agent to deploy web app servers, databases, and more while Railway automatically takes care of scaling, monitoring, and security. And while we bring in Sean Frank, I'm also gonna tell you about Cisco. Critical infrastructure for the AI era. Unlock seamless real time experiences, a new value with Cisco. Sean, how are doing? Welcome to [01:54:10] S6: the show. Great to see you guys. [01:54:11] S1: First time first time in the actual studio. [01:54:12] S6: Right? Second. Second. I did the Shopify episode. [01:54:14] S1: Oh, that's right. That's right. He took [01:54:16] S0: the time out of his Black Friday. [01:54:18] S1: That was great. Yeah. But we we yeah. We bounced around a lot. It was a it was a big it was a big day. That was good one, though. [01:54:23] S6: Hopefully, we'll do it again. [01:54:24] S1: Yeah. Another And and Black Friday was a record for you. Right? Was successful. [01:54:29] S6: Yeah. Yeah. Huge [01:54:30] S0: Have you have you had a Black Friday that wasn't a record? [01:54:32] S6: No. Every year it's gone up. [01:54:33] S1: Every year. [01:54:34] S6: And it's not gonna fall this year. [01:54:35] S1: Yeah. Up only over here at the Ridge Wallet. Ridge broadly. Right? The portfolio is growing still? [01:54:41] S6: Yeah. The wallet business is it's a great business. Yeah. It's like a 100,000,000 plus a year. Yeah. But the growth is now like all the other stuff we [01:54:48] S1: do. Okay.
01:54:48 · John Coogan, Sean Frank, Jordi Hays
[01:54:48] S1: do. Okay. [01:54:48] S6: So we have, like, a travel line. [01:54:50] S1: Have Luggage. [01:54:51] S6: We do, like, 10% of all men's wedding rings in America. So we have, a huge 10%. [01:54:55] S1: Yeah. Yeah. [01:54:56] S0: It's Double digits of the TAM. [01:54:57] S6: Yeah. It's, like, a very boring monopoly. We sell a ton of, like, men's wedding rings. [01:55:01] S0: And they're coming for it all. [01:55:02] S6: Oh, yeah. Soon. [01:55:04] S0: You won't be able to get married. They're actually going for regulatory capture. You won't be able to get married if you're not planning to use a ridge ring. [01:55:11] S6: Yeah. Because I'm I'm like a big pronatist now because I'm like, get married. Yeah. Oh, [01:55:16] S1: So you're behind all of that. Every time I see some podcaster What's the style? About the the fertility crisis, it's you. Yeah. You're behind it funding it all. [01:55:24] S6: And the big thing now is, like, the tech business for us. Yeah. So, like, we do, like, phone cases, that type of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's, like, twelve months old, it's, like, already, like, a $100,000,000 a year. So Wow. Just adding a bunch of new random little little widgets to sell. [01:55:36] S1: That's insane. Okay. So take me through the demand generation side of the business. Like, what is actually changing? Obviously, there's AI generated advertising, AI enhanced targeting. There's all sorts of different stuff. But, like, from your day to day, from the platforms you're advertising on, like, what has been the most material change over the last twelve months?
01:55:36 · John Coogan, Sean Frank, Jordi Hays, Eric Seufert
[01:55:36] S1: That's insane. Okay. So take me through the demand generation side of the business. Like, what is actually changing? Obviously, there's AI generated advertising, AI enhanced targeting. There's all sorts of different stuff. But, like, from your day to day, from the platforms you're advertising on, like, what has been the most material change over the last twelve months? [01:55:58] S6: Well, it's a big day to be here. Right? Because the big meta announcements. Yeah. People were, like, dancing on Meta's grave, like, three days ago, and and now everyone's stoked on it. [01:56:08] S0: Now you have a 1% god candle. Totally. [01:56:12] S1: Is that specifically about the LLM or or the the image generation model? Because the image generation model seems much more impactful to the advertising business than the agentic coding capabilities. [01:56:22] S6: Well yeah. Yeah. Well, I would say the manus actually, like, really helped unlock, like, a lot of, like, stuff inside the ad account. [01:56:31] S1: Using the ad manager more [01:56:32] S6: than Got it. I think, like, it just democratized a lot [01:56:35] S1: of tools that, [01:56:35] S6: like, the best ad managers are already using. [01:56:37] S1: Yep. [01:56:39] S6: But really, we just want Meta to continue to get better. Better. [01:56:42] S2: Yeah. [01:56:43] S6: Right? Over the past three months, they've rolled out a lot of changes of, like, the actual ad algorithm. Yeah. And it was really bad for a lot of people. We just had, like, the best q [01:56:50] S1: two It was good