00:41:44 · Kevin Hettrich, CJ Gustafson
[00:41:44] S0: That's probably true. [00:41:45] S1: Kevin, we have a wonderful partner on the show. Their names are and is always encouraging me to ask better questions. So this round is called asking better questions with The first thing that I ask to every successful person who comes in the show is what is an example of something that you've screwed up on the job before? Could be here or any previous role. [00:42:05] S0: As an early product manager in the nascent days of VW where we were trying to see if there was, like, a fit with the relationship. And my counterpart at VW, I was in a conversation with them and then gave what I thought was a reasonable answer in terms of when we could kinda get something done. The mistake I made was to not more broadly have socialized that with the team. My intention was good. It was okay. I just wanna keep this moving. But then when I got back and realized that I was not on the same page with the rest of my team and I had done something that was too aggressive, The head of sales was not super happy with me for the right reasons. So I remember after hours, call the guy that I had just told and, like, disturbed his dinner just to, like, pull back the thing. So it was it was embarrassing because I had to, like, flip flop, and then I was... I'm kind of a a family guy too. Don't like interrupting that, but it was the right thing to do and kinda caught it early.
00:42:05 · Kevin Hettrich, CJ Gustafson
[00:42:05] S0: As an early product manager in the nascent days of VW where we were trying to see if there was, like, a fit with the relationship. And my counterpart at VW, I was in a conversation with them and then gave what I thought was a reasonable answer in terms of when we could kinda get something done. The mistake I made was to not more broadly have socialized that with the team. My intention was good. It was okay. I just wanna keep this moving. But then when I got back and realized that I was not on the same page with the rest of my team and I had done something that was too aggressive, The head of sales was not super happy with me for the right reasons. So I remember after hours, call the guy that I had just told and, like, disturbed his dinner just to, like, pull back the thing. So it was it was embarrassing because I had to, like, flip flop, and then I was... I'm kind of a a family guy too. Don't like interrupting that, but it was the right thing to do and kinda caught it early. [00:42:55] S1: I've done that though just being an ambitious individual. Like, I'm gonna push the pace forward. I'm gonna commit to something on our behalf, and I know that our team is great and we'll catch up to it, but then you realize, oh, man. Maybe some stuff is like going a bit slower can be a feature, not a bug. [00:43:10] S0: We have a saying like once you're kinda 70% confident, especially if it's a reversible decision, you should kinda act and go, and we're all human, we all make mistakes, and in the event that you make a mistake, quickly recover, learn from it, and move on.
00:43:10 · Kevin Hettrich, CJ Gustafson
[00:43:10] S0: We have a saying like once you're kinda 70% confident, especially if it's a reversible decision, you should kinda act and go, and we're all human, we all make mistakes, and in the event that you make a mistake, quickly recover, learn from it, and move on. [00:43:23] S1: Next one I got for you. If you could tell your younger self something knowing what you know today, what would you tell them? [00:43:27] S0: I have a rule that I developed over time I called the 80 year old man test, that in that kinda last chapter of life, can I look back and have as few regrets as possible? And I think how that translates into a career is go work for a company that you're excited about and kinda fulfills your your sense of purpose. For me, it's the mission driven nature of QuantumScape. And then stay there if you if you love the people that check the box for kinda... For me on kinda QuantumScape from from two sides. [00:43:54] S1: I mean, in today's age, people change companies every twenty four months, even even less. You've been there [00:44:01] S0: Over fifteen years and held lots of different roles along the way. [00:44:05] S1: What's the key to longevity at a company and and making sure you stay challenged?
00:44:05 · CJ Gustafson, Kevin Hettrich
[00:44:05] S1: What's the key to longevity at a company and and making sure you stay challenged? [00:44:09] S0: Well, the company just needs to continue to exist, and we all have our our part to play in that. Personal point of view, while the duration at the company has been long, there are good things about that. Like, you become expertise in a space. It is something that, like, can have multigenerational kinda impact if you if you pull it off. Like, bringing substantially better energy storage to the world and, like, I think it's it's something worth that type of dedication. And then for me for me personally, the fact that I've had the opportunity to sit in so many different roles over time from product management to marketing to finance to IT to government relations, operations management has been like a rotational journey for me where it's some some percentage of my head, it's it's like a new thing that's kind of exciting for me. And by the way, that's another thing I would love to tell my early self is that most people you're working with are probably only 80% comfortable with what they're doing. And if they're 100%, they're probably not curious enough. So just that everyone is kinda... Has spots where we're all kinda like learning and trying to stretch ourselves and make mistakes. And it's okay to be not a 100% kinda comfortable, and just with kinda good work and communication, having the right team around you, that's okay.
00:45:25 · CJ Gustafson, Kevin Hettrich
[00:45:25] S1: I remember the first time I realized that the c suite just didn't have all the answers at all times. It was this moment where I was watching a CEO rehearse his keynote, like, over and over again. He was stumbling over certain parts and, like, eventually got on stage and crushed it. But I remember in that moment, was saying, like, this guy isn't perfect, and he also doesn't know everything about the company and the product. And I don't know why it stuck with me. [00:45:49] S0: Yeah. We we all start off as these, like, wet behind the ear sponges, excited to, like, learn things and work hard. And I guess it's all kind of daunting, these new challenges and kind of new endeavors. And I too had assumed that kind of people at the top were like, oh, I've got it all kind of locked down. And I guess that some of those initial elements done well, like, never change. [00:46:11] S1: More of a technical one for you. Can you walk me through the tools your finance team uses to get the job done? [00:46:17] S0: Systems and process, we are a Microsoft and SAP shop. So the whole m m three sixty five suite, we use SAP for finance, for planning, for purchasing, for treasury, etcetera. We use FloQast as an... As a close automation tool, Navan for travel and expense, ADP for payroll, and our AI productivity suite is Claude and Copilot. [00:46:45] S1: Nice. Nice. Last one I got for you. What's the craziest thing you've ever had someone try to expense?
00:46:45 · CJ Gustafson, Kevin Hettrich
[00:46:45] S1: Nice. Nice. Last one I got for you. What's the craziest thing you've ever had someone try to expense? [00:46:50] S0: One was a pair of, like, really amazing Nike basketball shoes that was paired with a disciplinary action, and the second that rose a bunch of flags was a pasta maker, apparently very legitimate. We make thin versions of things just as, like, a proof of concept, and engineers like, hey. I wanna make thin versions of this material. Turns out a pasta maker was how we do it. We actually still still have that in our R And D Building. [00:47:13] S1: Makes me laugh because I think like the first Nike shoe was actually made on the founder's wife's waffle maker. [00:47:19] S0: Phil Knight back in the day. That's right. Oregon. I'm I'm from Oregon, so that's kinda lore. Well, Kevin, this has [00:47:24] S1: been an absolute blast. Thank you for joining me on the pod. [00:47:26] S0: My pleasure, CJ. [00:47:28] S1: Run the Numbers is a Mostly Media production. Yelling an intro by Fat Joe. Artwork by Meg D'Alessandro. Nothing said on this podcast is intended to be business or investment advice. It's the sole opinion of me, a guy who feeds his dog way too much ice cream and has a history of net operating losses, l o l. If you like this podcast, hit subscribe and give us five stars. It will take like two seconds, and our algorithm overlords love it. Drink water, call your mom, and have a great day. Peace.