00:06:38 · David Senra, Scott Kupor
[00:06:38] S1: Was this around Michael Ovitz's idea of this phalanx, where it's like if you... Before that, it's like, you were his... You might... He's he's your agent, but really, it's like, you you have all of CAA, and you should tap into every single resource. [00:06:52] S2: Yeah. So his his theory... And he'll... I know you're friends with him, you've had him on [00:06:55] S1: I'm having dinner with him tonight. Okay. Hope you're a fellow.
00:06:58 · Scott Kupor
[00:06:58] S2: Tell I said hello. I haven't seen him in a while, but but, look, he'll tell the story much better. But my recollection of the story is, look, they they start CAA in, I think, 1975. And the whole industry was was... Which was very similar to how the venture capital industry was. You had an agent. Right? So you're Robert Redford. Right? And you have an agent, and that agent comes to you and says, great. I'm gonna help you do this. Right? I'm gonna help you get movie deals. I'm gonna help you get book deals, radio, whatever the whatever the stuff is, which was great. But the model was basically a one to one model, which was your agent to actor. What Michael did in CAA was they said, look, we're gonna basically maintain the relationship context between agent and actor, but when you would go, like, show up for a pitch at CAA in, like, 1990, where I think they had, like, 90% market share, they would sit around a table, and Michael would introduce you as Robert Redford and say, look, meet my colleague who does nothing other than radio deals. Here's my expert in radio deals. Here's my expert in international. Here's my expert in books. So you had this whole idea that you were surrounded. Yeah. Phalanx maybe is the right way to think about it. You have this whole firm as opposed to an individual who's responsible for your career. And we basically took the same model to the VC world. The VC world was a lot like that, was you had a one to one relationship with John Doerr, who was fantastic at what he did. The problem with that inherently was, number one, it just wasn't scalable. You know, at some point, John has so many board seats that you time out from a GP perspective because you can only take so many board seats on. And then two was you had to get everybody to invest in all that same amount of relationship development work across all these domains. And that might have worked in the days John Doerr did it when, basically, we invested in enterprise software companies that was essentially the domain of VC. But if you believe, you know, which I do, you know, Marc's software, you know, ate the world or seen the world. As the domains grew, like, the expertise needed just continued to grow.
00:08:40 · Scott Kupor, David Senra
So the fundamental theory that Marc and Ben had was, let's hire GPs who are functional domain experts in the particular areas of investing they want, and then let's surround them with this failings of somebody who all they do all day long is manage CFO relationship or CEO relationships or VPs of engineering, somebody who all they do does government relations or business development or other stuff like that. So again, like our pitch to an entrepreneur when they came in, we used to do the same. We call it the reverse pitch, actually, where an entrepreneur would pitch us, and then we would bring the team in, and we would do the reverse pitch to them to say, hey, look, if you work with Andreessen Horowitz, not only do you get me, Ben Horowitz, as your board member, but you get this entire table of people whose job it is day in and day out to figure out how do we institutionalize a set of relationships and networks that'll make you successful. So that was, like, the key application of, like, what Ovitz did to, you know, how Marc Andreessen adopted to the VC world. [00:09:30] S1: Before you left a16z to go to government, you were there for how how many years? [00:09:35] S2: Sixteen and a half years, so o nine until [00:09:36] S1: What are some of your, like, most memorable stories from the very early days? First year, two, three years? Well, were some fun ones.
00:09:36 · David Senra, Scott Kupor
[00:09:36] S1: What are some of your, like, most memorable stories from the very early days? First year, two, three years? Well, were some fun ones. [00:09:43] S2: Like, we had a little bit of our Mad Men episode, during the the firm where, at... You know, in the evenings, we would go sit around and drink bourbon at the time. This was when Marc actually used to drink. I think he doesn't drink anymore. [00:09:55] S1: No. He said... I think he was on he was on the show earlier, [00:09:58] S2: and I [00:09:58] S1: think he said, like, he thought the best day was, like, twelve hours of caffeine followed by six hours of alcohol or something. [00:10:04] S2: He was great. Right? Yeah. Like, Marc would drink a lot of coffee. He always had sushi for lunch. I don't know. I don't... You know, you... I don't know how well you know Marc. Absolutely. Sounds like you don't know. But, like, Marc is very... He... Marc gets very deep in things. So, like, he if gets excited about sushi, quite frankly, he'll eat sushi for, like, every meal for, like, a six month period of time. Right? So he would do that. And then, yeah, like, we would sit around his office at the end of the day and drink. And I remember very simply because we had to buy a special ice cube maker that actually made, like, you know, the square ice cubes. Yeah. And our show, who's his assistant, was incredibly generous with us, but, like, she would basically come in at the end of the day and, like, make sure the ice machine was right. So that was fun. It was just Hold on. You gotta know when you were doing.
00:10:04 · Scott Kupor, David Senra
[00:10:04] S2: He was great. Right? Yeah. Like, Marc would drink a lot of coffee. He always had sushi for lunch. I don't know. I don't... You know, you... I don't know how well you know Marc. Absolutely. Sounds like you don't know. But, like, Marc is very... He... Marc gets very deep in things. So, like, he if gets excited about sushi, quite frankly, he'll eat sushi for, like, every meal for, like, a six month period of time. Right? So he would do that. And then, yeah, like, we would sit around his office at the end of the day and drink. And I remember very simply because we had to buy a special ice cube maker that actually made, like, you know, the square ice cubes. Yeah. And our show, who's his assistant, was incredibly generous with us, but, like, she would basically come in at the end of the day and, like, make sure the ice machine was right. So that was fun. It was just Hold on. You gotta know when you were doing. [00:10:44] S1: Bring me to this. Okay. So Mad Men style. We're working all day. Now we're hanging We out [00:10:49] S2: didn't drink through this. I was like, Mad Men style maybe is overrating because Ugh. So then And nobody was smoking cigarettes. [00:10:53] S1: So now it's nighttime. [00:10:54] S2: Now it's nighttime. Nighttime. [00:10:56] S1: Work day's kind of over. [00:10:57] S2: Right. [00:10:58] S1: But we're gonna keep it going, and we're gonna drink. Exactly.
00:10:59 · Scott Kupor
[00:10:59] S2: What's happening? Yeah. In our original office... And actually in our new office too, Marc and Ben had these very spacious offices, which was very nice. And Marc literally had, like, a bar. Like, Marc had one of the most amazing, like, bourbon and whiskey collections that I've ever seen. He probably still has it, although he's been generous with my birthdays over time. He sends things to me now since he's less of a drinker. I pick up most of his stuff. But, yeah, we would sit around and, like, talk, and it wasn't like there was no... Was like the one part of the day where there was no formal agenda. And sometimes we just bullshitted about whatever was going on. Sometimes we're actually talking about an investment or something in the company. But it was fun. It was like... It was a time period where you felt like... I mean, number one, for someone like me, even though I'd been around Ben and Marc already for almost ten years, they're just like the kinds of people where if you have time to sit down with them and just shoot the shit, like, outside of work hours, like, you always learn something. And so that was always fun. And it just felt like we just had this sense of camaraderie that we were trying to build something. So there was no agenda. We would sit around, and sometimes it would go for fifteen minutes, we'd all disappear. And sometimes we'd sit there for an hour. It never, like, turned, like, raucous. Like, you know, we all had, like, you know, families and kids to go home to. So it wasn't like we were, like, going from there to, like, a bar somewhere else, but it was just kind of a relaxing way to, end the day and have some fun and or intellectual conversation about stuff we were doing.