01:36:19 · John Coogan, Stacy Rasgon, Jordi Hays
[01:36:19] S0: It does feel like we've entered a period over the last month maybe where even beating would still result in a sell off? Is that just everything priced to perfection? What's going on there? [01:36:31] S6: Yeah. I mean, especially in the AI side, there's been you know, the sentiment ebbs and flows. Yeah. Right? And and we've been in in a bit of an ebb. Yeah. And there's been a lot of stuff. You know, we had we had Burry's comments about a GPU lifetime and depreciation. Had a couple to be honest, few what I would call self owns on the part of the OpenAI folks, Old man and Scott Freyer, a little unnecessary angst that they They [01:36:54] S1: did that to inspire themselves to have to work harder. [01:36:57] S6: Maybe. Maybe. I guess. You you know, it's [01:36:59] S1: it's fine.
01:36:59 · Jordi Hays, Stacy Rasgon, John Tennant
[01:36:59] S1: it's fine. [01:37:02] S6: And and you you you early guys, are we in the bubble or not? Sure. I I mean, so bubbles are as as bubbles are. Right? I mean, you can look at a lot of things. You can look at valuations. I mean, NVIDIA is mid-20s price to afford earnings right now. We haven't got anywhere near crazy yet. I mean, I'll say the same thing I've said since this started, and it really got started. ChatGibis showed up in November '2, and NVIDIA's sort of print heard around the world was May '23. That's that's when it started. And even then, people worried about, okay, 2024 is gonna be off. Right? I'll I'll say the same thing I said then. At some point, you know, nothing goes up into the right forever. At some point, you'll have a digestion or an air pocket or it's not now. It's clearly not now. That's all I can say. I don't know when, but it's not now. It's not this year. Doesn't look like it's next year. Then all of these projects that OpenAI is signing with Broadcom and NVIDIA and even AMD, They don't even start to ship until the 2026. [01:37:57] S4: So [01:37:58] S6: at least from a spending standpoint, from what we consider, it's probably not 2027 either. Now we'll see what the stocks do. Like, they tend to be anticipatory. But in terms of, like, an air pocket or something in spending, I'm I'm not really all that worried yet. Yeah. When? I don't know. But, like, it's not now.
01:37:58 · Stacy Rasgon, Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[01:37:58] S6: at least from a spending standpoint, from what we consider, it's probably not 2027 either. Now we'll see what the stocks do. Like, they tend to be anticipatory. But in terms of, like, an air pocket or something in spending, I'm I'm not really all that worried yet. Yeah. When? I don't know. But, like, it's not now. [01:38:13] S1: Yeah. Do you do you how much have you, subscribed to this idea of, like, rolling rolling bubbles? So like right now, it seems like we've had we've had like explosion, you know, a lot of excitement around neo clouds this year. All, you know, pretty much all of them have sold off a ton in the last month. Maybe partly because of some of the comments out of the opening. I can't have been lack of lack of confidence. [01:38:35] S0: Yeah. [01:38:36] S1: But at the same time, Seagate, Western Digital, these other companies are up tremendously. I mean,
01:38:36 · Jordi Hays, Stacy Rasgon, John Coogan
[01:38:36] S1: But at the same time, Seagate, Western Digital, these other companies are up tremendously. I mean, [01:38:42] S6: yeah, the storage, they're covered by a colleague of mine now. But I mean, just go up 10% every day, right? But that's the thing. It all really comes down to demand. Demand is off the charts. Nobody can get enough compute. The neo clouds are all even with CorWeave, there was they a bit of a delay. They just don't have the capacity, right? They pushed out a little bit. It's still there. Again, the storage guys are ripping because the memory prices are going through the roof because there's so much there's a lack of supply relative to demand. All we've seen from the hyperscalers is CapEx numbers going up and up and up and up. Like nobody can get enough compute right That's where we are. And I think that is so the overarching that's the overarching thesis like either way. You Like go back to the question about GPU [01:39:29] S0: Yeah.
01:39:29 · John Coogan, Stacy Rasgon, Jordi Hays, Luca Ferrari
[01:39:29] S0: Yeah. [01:39:29] S6: Depreciation, GPU lifetimes, for This is what Burry was getting at. He was saying, Oh, well, they're all using your six year depreciation lifetimes, and these things don't last more than three years because you've got new stuff coming in. It's not true right now. Right? I mean, can look, they're still renting out old GPUs for much more than it costs them to operate them. It's clearly possible to run them longer than three years. It comes down to demand. Right now, is so strong, it is absolutely economic to run that stuff. If demand weakens, maybe it won't be, if demand weakens, we're all screwed anyway. Right? So, to me, all of the bear cases that you come up with right now, to me, collapse under the same thing. Is demand there or is it not? Right now, it's it's it's there, and and it's not showing any the demand side is not showing any signs of weakening. [01:40:18] S0: What about the the the leaked phone call from Sarah Fryer, the CFO of OpenAI, where there was this idea that potentially there was missed what she said was [01:40:31] S1: user minutes user minutes were dropping, which implies [01:40:34] S0: In the core ChatGPT which feels like the leading indicator for all AI. Yeah, but that's more [01:40:39] S6: than just OpenAI, too. You could argue that we want OpenAI to be there because Altman's driving a lot of this Totally. Incremental [01:40:46] S5: Yeah, yeah. [01:40:47] S6: So we'll see. But there's lots of demand. It's not just OpenAI, it's OpenAI. It's anthropic. Totally. It's Gemini. [01:40:53] S1: Totally.
01:40:53 · Jordi Hays, Stacy Rasgon, John Tennant, John Coogan, Luca Ferrari
[01:40:53] S1: Totally. [01:40:54] S6: In general, right now, I I mean, usage is going up. [01:40:57] S4: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [01:40:57] S0: So Yeah. I mean, I I'm sure we'll get more information on the on the Google side because some could be [01:41:02] S6: of the when you see these leaks, like, always have to be a [01:41:04] S0: little careful about Yeah. It was very odd that it was, like, from an investor only call. Yeah. Like, what investor would leak [01:41:10] S6: that means? By the way, we we we do calls like that. And stuff gets taken out of context. So I was I don't I don't know what they said. I wasn't on on that call. [01:41:17] S0: Yeah. Yeah. [01:41:17] S6: Yeah. I'm always a little hesitant to take and I do this for a living. Right? [01:41:21] S4: Always a [01:41:21] S6: little hesitant to take that [01:41:22] S0: Those leads. [01:41:23] S6: Face value. You have to, [01:41:24] S5: you know Yeah. [01:41:25] S6: You have you have to diligence. [01:41:26] S0: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at the same time, like, to your point of the, like, s curve nature of these adoptions, it's possible that, you know, 800,000,000 is a lot of people. Like Yeah. You do, at some point, saturate everyone and Sure. There's only there's only so much time in the day. [01:41:38] S6: Then billion people in the world. [01:41:40] S0: Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, it took it took Facebook years to get up into the high [01:41:43] S6: And that is that is the thing, by the way. I've been doing this job almost eighteen years. [01:41:48] S5: Yeah.