Masters of Scale
01:03:18 · Neil Chilson, John Donvan, Meredith Whittaker
[01:03:18] S1: That's true. That's true. [01:03:19] S2: And you were [01:03:19] S1: very That was not a surprise. I knew it was kind of a home field advantage for Meredith. I would say that the, you know, it's amazing how fast time goes when you're up there. But the other thing that was fascinating to me, you know, I just spent... To Meredith's point about the stakes here, you know, I just spent a weekend down in Berkeley at the curve where there were AI doomers saying the exact same thing, but almost from like a different angle. So that was that was interesting. They're talking about how powerful this is, how it is a godlike computer, how it's gonna destroy us. And my message both to them and I think to Meredith would would be that these are difficult challenges that we have lots of smart people working on them. We need to do the work, but this is not hopeless, and the the the the key here is not doom and gloom, and it's not centralized control. It is empowering people to solve problems and making sure that we have the incentive structures in place that that can do that. Government is a part of that. It's not the only part of it. And so I just wanna solve problems, and that makes me an optimist, I guess. And I think that both the doomers and maybe the cybersecurity advocates, I think we all just need to get to work. [01:04:41] S0: We're we're working. I know. Brother, we're working. I know. I'm... We are the people who are working. [01:04:46] S1: I know. [01:04:46] S0: This is the work.
01:04:47 · John Donvan
[01:04:47] S2: Meredith and Neil, thank you very much for joining us. Thank I hope you enjoyed today's debate and our postgame debrief with the debaters. The most important thing, course, is bringing smart people together and disagreeing in a civil way. So I'd like to thank both Meredith and Neil for joining us and being open to debate. And now it's time your turn to weigh in on this one. After hearing the full program, we want to know which side of the debate you, our listeners, fall on. Go cast your vote now by going to opentodebate.org/vote or scan the QR code on your screen. We will also drop the voting link in the episode notes and description. Voting will remain open until Thursday, November 12 at five p. M. We're going to reveal the results of the vote in our Substack newsletter on Sunday, November 15, so make sure to subscribe. If you liked what you heard today please subscribe to Open to Debate's YouTube channel and Substack and follow us along so that you don't miss any episodes and comment and post and review it helps people find out about us. This is the first in a string of debates we're putting out on the topic of artificial intelligence because we know how urgent these questions are in the global conversation right now. We are committed to covering them. So look out for our debate around AI and education that's next week followed by a debate on deepfakes. As a nonprofit working to bring together people with conflicting views to engage in rigorous and civil debate, our work is made possible by listeners like you, by the Rosenkranz Foundation, and by supporters of Open to Debate. Thank you once again to our partner on this episode, Masters of Scale Summit. Robert Rosenkrantz is our Chairman, our CEO is Leo Mathow, Andrew Lipson is Head of Production, Michel Deversini is Head of Marketing, Alexis Pangrazi is our Executive Producer, Katy Perry produced this episode. The Open to Debate team also includes Gabriela Mayer, Gabrielle Ioannicelli, Linda Lee, Scott Jacobi, and Julia Serkan. Damon Whittemore mixed this episode. Our theme music is by Alex Clement. I'm John Donvan. We'll see you next time on Open to Debate.