Decoder with Nilay Patel
00:16:55 · Nilay Patel
[00:16:55] S3: That to me, again, when I say I'm having this existential dilemma, just to put it into a clear focus for the listener. In the age of the CD, the economic value was a scarce physical object. Yes. There are only so many CDs and then you could maybe copy CDs and like Apple would get in trouble for saying that you could like rip, mix and burn CDs, right? Like that was a whole ad campaign and Apple got in trouble for incentivizing people to copy CDs but what the you would pay money for an object that existed. And we got to the digital world and the friction to copy the song went to zero and we had to invent a new model and that model looks like Spotify and the rest and now we're in the age of AI and the friction to create might be going to zero. So there's even less scarcity because you can just horsepower an AI pop star into existence singing AI song and you're gonna there's gonna be a glut of supply. Somewhere in there is marketing, somewhere in there is fandom, right? There's all this stuff that can create other kinds of scarcity. But that's the journey the music industry has been on. I always say whatever happens to the music industry happens to everybody else five years later, it's all the music industry is always on cutting edge. Where does the new scarcity come from in this model? Is it you doing policy work and lobbying governments for changes to the laws? Is it is it fans revolting and saying we want human label, human artists? Is it the platforms labeling everything? Where does the scarcity come back in?
00:18:16 · Mitch Glazier, Nilay Patel
[00:18:16] S4: You're the first person I think that sort of that I've listened to that sort of honed in on like on on this particular question. At the end of the day, it's always the fans in in my view. They will always at the end of the day sort of win because if you are any kind of service, any with any kind of business model, I don't care if you're AI, I don't care if you're streaming, you need human beings to pay you money Usually by subscribing, that's the highest revenue source. And they're not gonna do that if at the end of the day, they feel like they are losing out. And I do think given all of the focus groups and polling and, you know, everything that we've done and other people have done on this, it is very clear that fans wanna maintain that human connection with an artist. Mhmm. Yeah. It's not just about the music. It's also about the artist, the persona, the brand, the the emotional connection. You know, Taylor Swift's fans love her music, but they also love her. Yeah. Right? Pearl Jam's fans love their music, but it's also like Pearl Jam. You know what I mean? It's a... It it... They're their own piece of culture. And so we know, for example, that if a fan knows that a song is AI, then they have a different view of it than if they know that it is human. So do you think that's gonna last forever? [00:19:42] S3: I'm I'm honestly curious about this because it has changed even in the last year.
00:19:47 · Mitch Glazier
[00:19:47] S4: It has. I think on generative AI, it will last forever. In other words, a completely machine made piece of art because you lose that connection. An assistive AI where creators are using AI even in a broad way in order to sort of... As a tool to get their creation out there. Right now, it might be a little bit suspect. You know, in a few years it may just be like using a synthesizer or using auto tune. Like, you know, there might be some people who think it's, you know, not the greatest but it it it'll be an accepted part of the art form. So I think there's a difference between are you maintaining the human connection? That's the question. You can use AI as a as a big part of the tool to do that, but in some way are you maintaining that human connection? I think that's the test. And that doesn't happen with a prompt. I mean, that doesn't happen with me sitting there typing in 18 words on Suno and then like more words to like, you know, get it to a place that sounds better to my ear and then sticking it up on Spotify through DistroKid. That I I just don't think that that will ever cut it even though I think there is a bigger scale when it comes to assisted AI. So fans rule, I think labeling is happening and will continue to happen because of fans. I think consumer reactions will happen because of labeling and that that will then drive the economics of the business. So labeling is actually a very important piece of But I also think that if you don't secure the right, fans never get a chance to then do their thing, which is to ultimately control the market. So, you know, my focus all around the world is have we secured the basic rights of creators? If we've done that, fans can take over and drive the market from there.
00:21:46 · S7
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00:22:56 · S0, S1
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00:23:55 · S1, Nilay Patel, Mitch Glazier
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