01:04:31 · Max Read
[01:04:31] S1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's... You could also argue that Elon Musk was gonna become a character in this race no matter what since he is an important figure, like a huge right wing figure in Texas and around the country. Yeah. Can we look forward a little bit? So Sure. We're still sort of... The dust is still settling on this week's elections. We're still figuring out what happened. Are you expecting all of the people on this list to be on it again in 2028? Are there figures we should be looking out for who aren't... Weren't on it this cycle?
01:04:58 · Teddy Schleifer
[01:04:58] S3: Yeah. I mean, let's let's start with Musk. I mean, he... The the most extensive thing he said about the midterms was a couple days ago where he basically said his fear and the reason why he was so involved in the midterms this cycle was about 2029. His fear is basically to have a democratic trifecta where they have the White House and they have both houses of congress, which they now do, and that that's gonna lead to a, you know, his view, the end of the... End of civilization. I think he's a game over for America or something like that, which meant, you know, Democrats are gonna let all the illegals in for Mexico, and, you know, they're gonna basically register all as voters, and then it's the end of civilization and blah blah blah. Like, that that that to me, I read that as, like, yes, Elon Musk plans to play in the twenty twenty eight Republican primary. Musk has a pretty good relationship with JD Vance. Probably not a surprise, but, like, that relationship has has stayed pretty good even with the ups and downs with Trump. I would be shocked if Musk did not support Vance. Mhmm. The other people on the list that we've mentioned, I don't know because some of... The the folks who are really tied to a specific industry who are just kinda doing effectively, like like, pay for play lobbying. I don't really mean that in a furious way, but, the crypto industry, the AI industry, where they're really engaged on a specific issue, it really depends what what politicians do on those issues. Like, you know, we're also talking about Republicans. Like, in Democratic primary, like, will there be a crypto candidate who kinda gets the money from the crypto industry? Or, you know, there will certainly be a range of opinions on AI even in the Democratic primary. Like, will there be someone who is more pro AI and and get, get some money there? One interest group that I think is fascinating, which we haven't talked about from the tech sector, is the AI safety money Yeah. Which is basically the backlash to the Andreessen view of the world. And that is a huge source of cash. I think one of the big takeaways from this cycle is that, like, there is a ton of money in the, like, anthropic, you know, effective altruist, you know, lowercase d...
01:07:03 · Teddy Schleifer, Max Read
Maybe uppercase d democratic world where people who want the AI companies to move more slowly were more concerned about existential risk. And it's, you know, absolutely a... Gonna be a force in the Democratic primary. And I think in 2028, you know, Dario Amodei could be on this list or or, you know, even some people at OpenAI who are more partial to that. [01:07:23] S1: Yeah. I mean, I expect, know, given the... Your beat that you are looking with some interest at the Anthropic IPO coming up soon because you're gonna mint a bunch of billionaires who are gonna... Who have these exactly the passions you're talking about and exactly the interests who are
01:07:23 · Max Read, Teddy Schleifer
[01:07:23] S1: Yeah. I mean, I expect, know, given the... Your beat that you are looking with some interest at the Anthropic IPO coming up soon because you're gonna mint a bunch of billionaires who are gonna... Who have these exactly the passions you're talking about and exactly the interests who are [01:07:36] S3: gonna spend. Mean, they're already on the cap table to some extent. I mean, I... Or or or already on the cap table of the company and I think in the... On the campaign finance cap table, so to speak. I mean, like, people like Eric Schmidt, who's a big investor in Anthropic and a huge Democratic donor, Dustin Moskovitz, who is, you know, one of the earliest investors in in the company, and is a huge Democratic donor. The the resources, though, that's gonna be created by these IPOs are gonna mint a lot of people who are not necessarily even billionaires, but, you know, it's a it's a very civically minded, community of people at at Anthropic as a... It's a casting of a massively broad brush. But, like, you know, these are people who could easily give a million or 2,000,000 or $3,000,000, and I know that Democratic fundraisers are also watching the anthropic IPO closely with the kind of the hope that, there's gonna be a lot of, you know, 30 year olds who are gonna make a ton of money and are gonna wanna host, you know, Josh Shapiro when he comes to San Francisco, for example.
01:07:36 · Teddy Schleifer, Max Read
[01:07:36] S3: gonna spend. Mean, they're already on the cap table to some extent. I mean, I... Or or or already on the cap table of the company and I think in the... On the campaign finance cap table, so to speak. I mean, like, people like Eric Schmidt, who's a big investor in Anthropic and a huge Democratic donor, Dustin Moskovitz, who is, you know, one of the earliest investors in in the company, and is a huge Democratic donor. The the resources, though, that's gonna be created by these IPOs are gonna mint a lot of people who are not necessarily even billionaires, but, you know, it's a it's a very civically minded, community of people at at Anthropic as a... It's a casting of a massively broad brush. But, like, you know, these are people who could easily give a million or 2,000,000 or $3,000,000, and I know that Democratic fundraisers are also watching the anthropic IPO closely with the kind of the hope that, there's gonna be a lot of, you know, 30 year olds who are gonna make a ton of money and are gonna wanna host, you know, Josh Shapiro when he comes to San Francisco, for example. [01:08:34] S1: You mentioned dark money before. I mean, is there a version of the next... I mean, I suppose this is the version of the next cycle where a lot of the people who are on the list right now are spending the same kind of money, but they're keeping it much more secret. [01:08:45] S3: Yeah. That's a huge caveat to everything I've said, which is that I am very curious and and hopefully self aware about the amount that we don't know [01:08:58] S1: Yeah.
01:08:58 · Max Read, Teddy Schleifer
[01:08:58] S1: Yeah. [01:08:58] S3: What... About what's happening in this space. I've been writing about this kinda on and off for ten years now, and there is less disclosed than ever. Mhmm. Especially in the Democratic world, where where so much political giving now happens through nonprofits. And and, you know, to read a campaign finance report, is just to be inundated with, like, an alphabet soup of nonprofits, like, that are, you know, Americans for America Inc. All these groups started, like, two weeks before you're reading the thing. And, like, suddenly, there's a super PAC that is $30,000,000 that got this donation from Americans for Americans Inc. And it's [01:09:35] S1: like Yeah.