00:55:35 · Grace Gong, Kevin B. Boyd
[00:55:35] S0: But, [00:55:38] S1: and that's where I think some of these of these startups have a real opportunity because if you are just using one of the frontier models, you know, there's always the possibility that it hallucinates, it gets something wrong. If you are a student, you probably don't know enough yet to judge, oh, that doesn't seem right. Whereas someone who's an expert in the field who's been doing it for twenty years might look at something that a model came back with and say, yeah, that's not right. Like, you know, I'm not gonna use that. So I think... I do think that's where there is an opportunity for more curated learning where we can have a potentially a higher degree of confidence that what the tool is coming back with is right. The other thing that I think is somewhat fascinating. So there are some universities, particularly universities in Europe like Oxford, where the end of quarter or end of semester evaluation is oral. Well, doesn't potentially scale very well for, let's say, a big 10 university that has 50,000 students. But you could imagine a future where there is more of the oral exam, but it's with an AI. So the AI is asking questions, the student is responding, and based on the the quality of the response, the AI might direct them to different directions to find out how much they actually know of the... Whatever the subject matter is for that quarter. I think there are people who find that both exciting and [00:57:15] S0: frightening. Okay, so what am I if I'm wrong? What's your favorite book?
00:57:15 · Grace Gong, Kevin B. Boyd
[00:57:15] S0: frightening. Okay, so what am I if I'm wrong? What's your favorite book? [00:57:23] S1: What is my favorite book? Oh gosh. I actually don't know the answer to that. I will say I read a lot. Like I am constantly reading so that one's a hard one. [00:57:38] S0: What's like the most like recent thing that you read? [00:57:43] S1: Oh, so bad with book titles. Sorry. There's a science fiction series that I've been reading and I would have to go pull up my Kindle to find the titles. [00:58:01] S0: Who would you invite to your dinner party? [00:58:05] S1: Who would I invite to my dinner party? Oh, interesting. I would say I think it would be fascinating right now to sit down with the leaders of each of the AI companies and just their brain about their view of where things are going. [00:58:25] S0: Who made the biggest impact in your career?
00:58:25 · Grace Gong, Kevin B. Boyd
[00:58:25] S0: Who made the biggest impact in your career? [00:58:34] S1: So I had a manager many years ago when I worked for Grainger. I'd been there for about seven years. I probably was, you know, my goal at that point was to become a CIO. And I thought that I would just, you know, be at Grainger forever and work my way up to the CIO role. And he was a really useful mentor to me. And he basically said, Look, you know, I think you can get to the CIO role, but you're going be more successful if you work for several different companies, several different industries, you know, get a broader perspective, get a more well rounded career path. And, you know, he was the... He was really the one that caused me to say, okay, you know, let me do that. And if you if you look at my career, worked in, you know, Grainger was industrial and commercial distribution. Bank One was obviously banking. I worked for a Tribune Company, which was media. CNA, which was financial and now higher ed. But I really do think that I am far more effective in my role as the CIO because I had a very diverse background in different industries. You get more of an idea of a lot of different ways to do things. [00:59:50] S0: Where can we find you outside of work? [00:59:56] S1: Sorry, say that again? [00:59:57] S0: Where can we find you outside of work? [00:59:59] S1: Oh, I'm probably on an airplane somewhere flying around the world and taking pictures. So my passions are travel and photography. [01:00:09] S0: You forgot to mention food. I feel like you're such a food god when it comes to racks for food.
01:00:09 · Grace Gong, Kevin B. Boyd
[01:00:09] S0: You forgot to mention food. I feel like you're such a food god when it comes to racks for food. [01:00:16] S1: That's true. I'm also a foodie. And so, like, if I... If it was just somewhere around Chicago, yes, exploring whatever the hot new restaurant is. But otherwise, I'm always planning where's the next trip around the world. [01:00:30] S0: Well, what's, like, the best place you've been to? [01:00:34] S1: You know, have a few favorites. So I love New Zealand for the natural beauty. Like the South Island Of New Zealand is one of my favorite places. I get really excited about safaris in Africa. I've done a number of them and I will keep doing those. There's just nothing quite like being 10 feet away from a lion. Absolutely passionate about that. You know, I love Europe. So Paris, probably one of my favorite cities for like just pure relaxation. Bruges, Ghent, Delft, just gorgeous places to visit. [01:01:12] S0: Love that. Well, Kevin, thank you so much for coming to the show today. It was such a, wow, informative discussion about everything higher ad and AI. [01:01:23] S1: That's great. Grace, it was great to see you. Thank you so much for inviting me. [01:01:27] S0: Thank you so much for joining us. Okay. Let me quickly end.