00:11:21 · Andy Pavlo, Ruby Justice Thelot
But with agents, there's, you know, there's like a fire hose blasting us, and you have to care about these things that you wouldn't have to think otherwise. [00:11:29] S0: Yeah. With agents, it's completely a fire hose that's blasting. And I like how you mentioned there's a lot of things that you would add, and I think that's a perfect segue for what happened this morning. There was a big launch day. You guys announced a ton of things this morning. Can you just, like, walk us through what was announced and maybe specifically the parts of the announcement that you were the closest to?
00:11:51 · Andy Pavlo
[00:11:51] S1: Yeah. So ClickHouse announced, ClickHouse, the company announced that the sort of unifying a bunch of these different products, and capabilities now within a single platform, within ClickHouse Cloud. So this includes the general availability of ClickHouse's managed PostgreSQL offering. So this is a sort of stock version of PostgreSQL that's running really fast in the MDM E drives that can run, you can do transactions very quickly. They've also announced the additional components to do observability. So being able to collect a bunch of data from various components of various part of your application stack, various sources, and then putting them into a single platform and be able to understand and reason set alerts and other things about them. They've also announced a new security component, and this is based on an acquisition earlier in the year that was called product called RunReveal. This allows you to do security triggers and triage analysis with agents to understand security issues and other problems. Then we've also announced a new AI gateway that's part of a Langfuse integration that allows you to sort of observe and control and manage agents that are, you know, running... That are interacting with with data. Mhmm. And so so so the idea is that instead of having these sort of bespoke one off products that can do all these different things and people calling these things together and have to unify and synchronize these things. The ClickHouse platform now provides a sort of a single source location that can that can do all the things for you. And so with everything, obviously, except for the managed PostgreSQL, all the other components are running off of the the ClickHouse core database in the system because it's it's scalable, can can ingest a lot of data very quickly, and then provide the capabilities that these security and the observability and the gateway stuff you need to understand what your agents... What what the workload is actually doing, in the system.
00:13:45 · Ruby Justice Thelot, Andy Pavlo
[00:13:45] S0: Man, that's really cool. [00:13:46] S1: So your question your question was like, am I what am I playing with? What what am I, closely involved in? I would say again, since I've started, we've been focusing on the ClickHouse data in the system and and on the PostgreSQL side of things. I should also add that ClickHouse also announced today the acquisition of a PostgreSQL a company called Xata, x a t a. And although this is not in the the managed PostgreSQL offering that's going out today, this is something that the team is gonna integrate, next year. And this is gonna add the capability to do branching within within PostgreSQL, which is the current product cannot do. And this is actually important for agents because agents often, when you're doing like vibe coding and trying to build out new applications, they wanted to take branches of the production database, make changes, try to understand, add new features, and so forth. Or oftentimes, when you're testing, you want to take a snapshot or copy of the production database, run your test, make sure your things working correctly. And you don't want to slow down the production database. So the Xata acquisition isn't allow, the ClickHouse managed, PostgreSQL offering to support that capability as well.
00:14:53 · S2, Ruby Justice Thelot
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00:16:29 · Andy Pavlo
[00:16:29] S1: Yeah. So the... Again, the idea is that you have now in ClickHouse Cloud, you can... People people can launch PostgreSQL databases. You can integrate it with the observability capabilities, the security stuff to keep track of what's going on in in the system. You can then stream all this data into ClickHouse, the ClickHouse data management system. So actually, the the PostgreSQL offering we have has two capabilities to interact with with ClickHouse. So you can have the... Through PostgreSQL query data that's actually stored in ClickHouse itself all through the PostgreSQL front end. And they also have capabilities to get the data out of PostgreSQL and put it into the ClickHouse system very quickly. And again, you can observe it and keep track of all these data movement, how... You know, what components, what applications are are are are querying the data all through the observability and security components as well. And then if you wanna now have certain agents go directly at ClickHouse, the system, and query things, the AI gateway using this Langfuse in... Langfuse integration allows you to run, you know, agents and keep track of their control, their cost, and understand what's going on. Langfuse also allows you to run experiments and see, like, does this prompt work? Is it hurt... Is my my answer is getting better or worse over time and keeping track of the cost and things as well. So I think it's like it's a single unified platform Mhmm. Allows you to do a bunch of things you wanna do with your data, both from the O2P side of running applications, but then also the analytical side to to extrapolate new knowledge from the data that you have either through agents or existing, you know, BI tools that are out there.
00:18:02 · Ruby Justice Thelot, Andy Pavlo
[00:18:02] S0: Man, this is cool. Well, thank you for sharing a little bit about that. Andy, before you go, I did just wanna get your predictions on how you think things are gonna play out. We can do a rapid fire a little bit here, but I I wanna just get your thoughts because we have an opportunity being here with you, the expert of databases, understanding the whole background, the history, and now how agents are affecting them and being able to predict the future. So we're gonna do a quick rapid fire if that works for you. [00:18:26] S1: Let it rip. Although professors aren't aren't known to, like, be very pithy in their explanations, but I'll try. [00:18:31] S0: It's all good. It's a good We'll try. We'll do, a yes or no kind of thing. Alright. Your first question. By 2028, agents create more databases than humans. [00:18:40] S1: Oh, easy. Yeah. Hands down easily. [00:18:42] S0: Easy. Easy. Yes. For sure. Alright. [00:18:45] S1: Because because people people are vibrating. Right? Like, agents are gonna create a bunch of stuff. They'll create more branches and actually create more new databases. [00:18:51] S0: Exactly. We're already seeing that happen. By 2027, that's gonna happen. Alright. Text to SQL replaces the BI dashboard. [00:19:01] S1: It may be seen. I think the dashboards are useful for humans to comprehend things, but certainly agents doing, you know, natural language getting back responsive right away. You know, I I would think eventually, yes, but I still think you can imagine the, you know, integrating with a harness that can make you pretty pictures.