The Robotics Stack
00:13:21 · Xara, Leo
So we believe the whole thing has to be a package. It has to have a human body, a human like So initially, when we first build a face, the robots without a skin can only just flex his eyes. Later on, we've improved on a face and we built a, 13 degrees freedom face, which is slight improvement with the skin on. Later on, we actually improved further on on the newer version of the robotic phase, and we built a 30 degrees of freedom phase. As you can see, it can map to our facial expression in real time. [00:13:46] S1: So in a way, you could imagine a business in the future where these robots are teleoperated. That's why.
00:13:46 · Leo, Xara
[00:13:46] S1: So in a way, you could imagine a business in the future where these robots are teleoperated. That's why. [00:13:53] S2: Yes. That's why... Let me show you another demo. The whole thing can be teleoperated. You might have a human, let's say, somewhere other parts of the world, let's say, France, and you can teleoperate a robot to China. That's... It's possible. Well... The one of the main reason... Let me go back to the prior questions that you asked him, why do we do this and why we started? Because there are so much interesting things happening in robotic space right now, but we haven't seen a real business model where robots can become a common thing. Right? You see a lot of people try to implement humanoid robots in assembly lines in factory. You see a lot of people who try to build humanoid robot for the household. For example, Figure or even Tesla Optimus. But we haven't seen a real use case or applications where robots become useful in people's life. Fundamentally, because there's not enough breakthrough in the robotic brain part. Robots are not smart enough, are not robust and intelligent enough to do all kind of household tasks. The reason why we choose intimacy is that we think it's easier to optimize for. So every single algorithm, every single software we built in the hardware, it's optimized for intimacy and companionship. And it's a much more vertical domain of robotics versus any other regards. Because at this moment, we don't really do any kind of general purpose robots. We only wanna focus on intimacy.
00:14:59 · Oskar, Xara
[00:14:59] S0: As I said, $10,000,000,000 market. I mean, if you compare this to some of these other companies that do all sorts of models, but have yet to shown a compelling use case, then this is definitely much closer to a real market than, let's say, as you said, a robot that can autonomously do all sorts of tasks, like a generalist approach. [00:15:19] S2: Yeah. Yes. So so we wanna focus on vertical, but eventually, maybe it will... We'll go the general direction way. But generalist robots require some time. Right? So far, you guys probably have talked to a lot of robotic startups and founders. We believe there isn't really a chatty moments in robotics yet. There isn't really a single robotic model that can unify all of robots and make them intelligent enough to do a task in all kinds of scenarios. But doing this kind of vertical things like intimacy, we believe is a area or it's a type of business can actually go in full cycle. It can actually become a profitable... It's a sustainable business. Even though there's so much interest in robotics right now, we haven't really seen a robotic company that's really, really profitable. So we wanna become one of the financially healthy robotic company that actually have a sustainable business model, and that's precisely the reason why we choose Intimacy.
00:15:19 · Xara, Oskar
[00:15:19] S2: Yeah. Yes. So so we wanna focus on vertical, but eventually, maybe it will... We'll go the general direction way. But generalist robots require some time. Right? So far, you guys probably have talked to a lot of robotic startups and founders. We believe there isn't really a chatty moments in robotics yet. There isn't really a single robotic model that can unify all of robots and make them intelligent enough to do a task in all kinds of scenarios. But doing this kind of vertical things like intimacy, we believe is a area or it's a type of business can actually go in full cycle. It can actually become a profitable... It's a sustainable business. Even though there's so much interest in robotics right now, we haven't really seen a robotic company that's really, really profitable. So we wanna become one of the financially healthy robotic company that actually have a sustainable business model, and that's precisely the reason why we choose Intimacy. [00:16:05] S0: It's actually not such a new business. I mean, if you combine it with robotics, yes. But if you think about Realbotix or a lot of these other companies, RealDoll, these actually go back, like, I don't know, almost ten years, twenty years sometimes, you know. This has been around for a while, so it's not been, like, having this huge curve yet, but I would agree that if you enhance this kind of technology with the robotics capabilities that we see now, this can be an interesting add on, basically.
00:16:32 · Xara
[00:16:32] S2: I totally agree. So Realbotix is one of the OG, one of the oldest company in the space, and they've around for, like, I think fifteen, twenty years. The technology stack today is very different from fifteen, twenty years ago. So from my understanding when I was studying robotics is that it's actually a Canadian company. I always had the fortune of visiting company at some point in the past. And the robots only have a moving robotic face, but it does not have a moving body. So you you see on exhibition is moving his hands, but it does not have whole body control. If a robot needs to be whole body control, it can switch from any intimacy positions to any other positions. The most important thing is to do reinforced mirror learning. It has to be powered by AI. If it's not powered by AI, it's impossible to do very complex move. Because when you look at our robots, its body has roughly 25 different motors, QDD motors. So if if you want to make the robots intelligently move in any kind of direction or form, it needs to be controlled by AI. So I think one of the biggest difference being now versus robotics back then is that, back ten, fifteen years old, there really isn't any kind of AI that's controlling robots. Right? It was probably more traditional control. And second thing is that there's actually breakthrough in materials that was not possible before. When you look at Realbotix, the whole thing is still silicon, but we barely use any kind of silicon. In fact, our whole robotic parts, the muscle is three d printed. So using using this three d printed muscle, we're able to make the robots very, very light. And also on top of this, let me show you the full stack of what's happening that makes this possible. So so when you look at it, the robot has three parts. The internal skeleton, that's in this middle is actually the muscle parts, the three d printed parts, and on top it is the skin. So the skin is actually very, very thin. The thing with traditional STIRCON is that STIRCON is very, very heavy. That's why the dolls are forty sixty kilograms. So using three d printing technology, essentially, the whole thing still feels like a muscle texture just like human, and the skin is actually a very, very thin layer. And that's why the whole robots, everything together is only 20 kilograms.
00:18:27 · Xara
Versus something that's 40 to 60 kilograms like a doll or a 40 kilogram Unitree, it's a huge improvement when it comes to weight and reductions. Because we are one of the first robots on the market that actually interact intimately with humans. We believe that making light is very very important. And I wanna add a note to this is that when we build our robots, we wanna make sure it's very distinctive from a dog. So when we look at a dog, obviously, it looks like a human. Right? But we actually don't want it to look too much like a human because we don't want us people to see it as a upgraded or a better version of a doll. In fact, we wanna build a new species, a new type of being. Right? Somewhere between a human and machine or a combination between the two. I'm a huge fan of a lot of different sci fi movie, you know, Blade Runner, and I play a lot of sci fi games like Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven, my favorite game. And we wanna combine a lot of robotic or sci fi elements with human elements. We have to realize it's actually a consumer electronics. So there's power button, and there's also ports where you can actually do charging and put in some kind of latest data and software. There's places where you can probably switch out a battery pack and so so forth. It's a balance between what's possible with engineering and what's possible with aesthetics. We need to make sure it looks good too. So the whole thing comes out in a way that we constantly remind user that it is a robot. It's not an upgraded version of a doll. It's distinctively a new species, a new type of being. And the reason why we have this kind of three layer architecture, let me share this with you, is that we wanna build the robots in a way so that the skin and muscle can be changed. So once in a while, maybe you wanna switch to a different face, different skin, you can do that. You want a bigger breast, you want a bigger butt, you can do that. So the internal skeleton is stable. You only need to buy one skeleton. But the muscle, the face, even the private parts can be changed to any kind of configurations that you want. You can customize it. Because at the end the day, it's a consumer product, and people all around the world has different preferences for beauty.