The Robotics Stack
00:48:56 · Oskar, Xara
[00:48:56] S0: So most of the parts, the muscles, the skin you're producing yourself, but then actuators, for example, you would outsource. [00:49:04] S2: So quick questions. In this stage of our company, we need to quickly prototype. We actually purchased some of the existing motors on the market. Right? And we're very thankful to be in China because a lot of motor supplies are very good. And there's few brands I'll just list it off. Shout out to them. Gauching,, they're great actuator motor suppliers. But now we're slowly moving on to building our own motors and actuators because when looking at motors and actuators, they're 40 to 60% of the cost of a robot. If we were to minimize the cost of robots in the future for mass protections, to some extent, we have to build our own motors and actuator. So to answer your question, we are slowly building our own motor. We recently built a... Assembled team just for Wow. [00:49:41] S0: And that's impressive that you were doing so much r and d then at the same time
00:49:41 · Oskar, Xara
[00:49:41] S0: And that's impressive that you were doing so much r and d then at the same time [00:49:45] S2: It's a lot of work. It's... Honestly, it's a very hard thing to do because when you think of intimacy robots, a lot of people had thought of it. Right? But people kinda underestimate how hard it is to actually build a full machine. Because the difference between our robots and any other robots is that a a robot like Optimus or Unitree, it does not have skin and muscle. It does not need to look that much like a human. But since we utilize intimacy, we have to make sure the skin feels like humans. We need to make sure the face looks like humans. There's so much more details when it comes to engineering that other companies does not have to think about. And there's a few more example. Our robots, the skin has temperature. Right? A lot of other robots, they don't need to have temperature on their skin. Right? So if the robots does not have temperature, it feels like a dead body. If you hug the robot, if you intimate the extras of robots, it needs to have warmth. It needs to make you feel good. So that's why there's so much more engineering details that need to go into robots to make it work for intimacy versus the traditional robots, if you might say. [00:50:38] S0: Yeah. Absolutely. And you will have these synergies. If you're doing an R and D with this specific angle, you might as well find other use cases for the technologies that you're building. So it's a really interesting strategic position that you're in.
00:50:38 · Oskar, Xara
[00:50:38] S0: Yeah. Absolutely. And you will have these synergies. If you're doing an R and D with this specific angle, you might as well find other use cases for the technologies that you're building. So it's a really interesting strategic position that you're in. [00:50:51] S2: That's important. Maybe in the future, there's gonna be more applications for robots. But I wanna say one observation I wanna share with you guys. There's one key conviction and belief that we have is that we believe a lot of robots in the future that's gonna come into our house is gonna be soft robotics. Right? Because imagine this. If you have a... Some old person or young person inside your house and there's robots, it's not safe for the robots to be a metallic thing like Unitree. It needs to have a soft layer at least. Right? When you look at, one x, they actually have also some kind of very soft textures. It's covered by fabric. Right? For us, we have skin and muscle layer, so it's also very soft. Because imagine this, if a robot were to hook a old person, if robots were to take care of young children, it needs to be soft. Right? It cannot just be a metallic thing. So what we observe other than using for intimacy is that we believe the skin and muscle layer in the future can be adapt to a lot of different robots. Right? It makes the robots to have temperature, makes the robots feels like humans, it makes the robots respond in a very human way because there are sensors built into the machine and the skin. So what we're doing here, I think, good for the whole entire robotic industry.
00:50:51 · Xara, Leo
[00:50:51] S2: That's important. Maybe in the future, there's gonna be more applications for robots. But I wanna say one observation I wanna share with you guys. There's one key conviction and belief that we have is that we believe a lot of robots in the future that's gonna come into our house is gonna be soft robotics. Right? Because imagine this. If you have a... Some old person or young person inside your house and there's robots, it's not safe for the robots to be a metallic thing like Unitree. It needs to have a soft layer at least. Right? When you look at, one x, they actually have also some kind of very soft textures. It's covered by fabric. Right? For us, we have skin and muscle layer, so it's also very soft. Because imagine this, if a robot were to hook a old person, if robots were to take care of young children, it needs to be soft. Right? It cannot just be a metallic thing. So what we observe other than using for intimacy is that we believe the skin and muscle layer in the future can be adapt to a lot of different robots. Right? It makes the robots to have temperature, makes the robots feels like humans, it makes the robots respond in a very human way because there are sensors built into the machine and the skin. So what we're doing here, I think, good for the whole entire robotic industry. [00:51:55] S1: How do you ensure the robot is safe, and how do you guarantee and demonstrate it to your user before purchase?
00:52:02 · Xara
[00:52:02] S2: This... Leo, this is the hardest question. Let's let's let's look at this. This this is a robot. But as you see, this is a a cowgirl positions. This could be very dangerous for a man because the robot is moving by itself. And what happens if it breaks our private parts? It could be very dangerous. Here's a few things that we did in order to make sure it's safe. Number one is that, again, there's a sensor within its private parts. Right? So once we realize that the penis is no longer inside, we're gonna slowly stop the machine. Second thing on the robotic butt, the back back parts, there's actually a full surface layer of sensors. So when we realize the robot is not really in touch with the humans, we also gonna try to stop the machine. Right? Third thing is that the robots, can communicate with language. Right? If the robot is moving too fast, it's not moving safely, you can simply say stop, the robot's gonna stop. If you don't want it to move anymore, you just need to say stop, and it's gonna stop because it can pick up your language and respond to you in real time very, very fast. So there's so much safety issues that we need to think about. Let me expand on the safety things because I think it's very important. There's also data and privacy issue. Right? Data safety. Because when you think about it, the robots have camera. The robots have camera inside its eyes as you saw earlier. Right? So if the robot's data is not stored well, some of the user private information, some of the private parts can be shown. So every single data that we collect on the robots is stored locally with the machine. Whatever things that you say to it whatever actions that you do with it, whatever videos it capture, it's stored stored locally in machine. It never uploads to the cloud. Second thing is that it's encrypted directly on the edge. So for us, the safety comes in all matter. Matter is physical safety for our body or data safety, or there's also ethical layers too. Let me give you another example of safety. If we realize the person is spending eight hours a day with robots, the person's addicted to robots, we might actually stop the robots from interacting with humans. Right? Because it could be dangerous to spend so so much time with humans. So when we look at safety, I think it's a multivariate questions.
00:54:00 · Xara, Oskar, Leo
And there's so much regards we have to think about. Physical safety, material safety, data safety, privacy safety, and so so so forth. So as a startup, I think we need to put a lot of time intentions to be very thoughtful about the safety things and safety mechanism we do to a machine. But it is also a very difficult thing to do because in some scenario, maybe we are not concerned enough and and cover the case, but we're trying our best to make sure the robot is safe as possible. And this is very important because it's really hard to build consumer trust. If the consumer worries that, okay, the robots might break my dick. Right? There might be so much concern that they're not gonna buy the robots. So to answer your question, we gotta showcase a lot of demo, a lot of technology stack, and we we try to build out all the technology in public to tell people that this is a safe technology. Safe to use, safe to interact with, and safe to stay long time with it. I [00:54:49] S0: see. It's interesting. It's almost like they have a safe word then. So... [00:54:52] S2: There is a safe word. [00:54:53] S0: Yeah. Super interesting. I mean, my questions are covered. Leo, you have anything more? [00:54:56] S1: Well, no. I don't have any more questions for today.