The Robotics Stack
00:50:38 · Oskar, Xara
[00:50:38] S0: Yeah. Absolutely. And you will have these synergies. If you're doing an R and D with this specific angle, you might as well find other use cases for the technologies that you're building. So it's a really interesting strategic position that you're in. [00:50:51] S2: That's important. Maybe in the future, there's gonna be more applications for robots. But I wanna say one observation I wanna share with you guys. There's one key conviction and belief that we have is that we believe a lot of robots in the future that's gonna come into our house is gonna be soft robotics. Right? Because imagine this. If you have a... Some old person or young person inside your house and there's robots, it's not safe for the robots to be a metallic thing like Unitree. It needs to have a soft layer at least. Right? When you look at, one x, they actually have also some kind of very soft textures. It's covered by fabric. Right? For us, we have skin and muscle layer, so it's also very soft. Because imagine this, if a robot were to hook a old person, if robots were to take care of young children, it needs to be soft. Right? It cannot just be a metallic thing. So what we observe other than using for intimacy is that we believe the skin and muscle layer in the future can be adapt to a lot of different robots. Right? It makes the robots to have temperature, makes the robots feels like humans, it makes the robots respond in a very human way because there are sensors built into the machine and the skin. So what we're doing here, I think, good for the whole entire robotic industry.
00:50:51 · Xara, Leo
[00:50:51] S2: That's important. Maybe in the future, there's gonna be more applications for robots. But I wanna say one observation I wanna share with you guys. There's one key conviction and belief that we have is that we believe a lot of robots in the future that's gonna come into our house is gonna be soft robotics. Right? Because imagine this. If you have a... Some old person or young person inside your house and there's robots, it's not safe for the robots to be a metallic thing like Unitree. It needs to have a soft layer at least. Right? When you look at, one x, they actually have also some kind of very soft textures. It's covered by fabric. Right? For us, we have skin and muscle layer, so it's also very soft. Because imagine this, if a robot were to hook a old person, if robots were to take care of young children, it needs to be soft. Right? It cannot just be a metallic thing. So what we observe other than using for intimacy is that we believe the skin and muscle layer in the future can be adapt to a lot of different robots. Right? It makes the robots to have temperature, makes the robots feels like humans, it makes the robots respond in a very human way because there are sensors built into the machine and the skin. So what we're doing here, I think, good for the whole entire robotic industry. [00:51:55] S1: How do you ensure the robot is safe, and how do you guarantee and demonstrate it to your user before purchase?
00:52:02 · Xara
[00:52:02] S2: This... Leo, this is the hardest question. Let's let's let's look at this. This this is a robot. But as you see, this is a a cowgirl positions. This could be very dangerous for a man because the robot is moving by itself. And what happens if it breaks our private parts? It could be very dangerous. Here's a few things that we did in order to make sure it's safe. Number one is that, again, there's a sensor within its private parts. Right? So once we realize that the penis is no longer inside, we're gonna slowly stop the machine. Second thing on the robotic butt, the back back parts, there's actually a full surface layer of sensors. So when we realize the robot is not really in touch with the humans, we also gonna try to stop the machine. Right? Third thing is that the robots, can communicate with language. Right? If the robot is moving too fast, it's not moving safely, you can simply say stop, the robot's gonna stop. If you don't want it to move anymore, you just need to say stop, and it's gonna stop because it can pick up your language and respond to you in real time very, very fast. So there's so much safety issues that we need to think about. Let me expand on the safety things because I think it's very important. There's also data and privacy issue. Right? Data safety. Because when you think about it, the robots have camera. The robots have camera inside its eyes as you saw earlier. Right? So if the robot's data is not stored well, some of the user private information, some of the private parts can be shown. So every single data that we collect on the robots is stored locally with the machine. Whatever things that you say to it whatever actions that you do with it, whatever videos it capture, it's stored stored locally in machine. It never uploads to the cloud. Second thing is that it's encrypted directly on the edge. So for us, the safety comes in all matter. Matter is physical safety for our body or data safety, or there's also ethical layers too. Let me give you another example of safety. If we realize the person is spending eight hours a day with robots, the person's addicted to robots, we might actually stop the robots from interacting with humans. Right? Because it could be dangerous to spend so so much time with humans. So when we look at safety, I think it's a multivariate questions.
00:54:00 · Xara, Oskar, Leo
And there's so much regards we have to think about. Physical safety, material safety, data safety, privacy safety, and so so so forth. So as a startup, I think we need to put a lot of time intentions to be very thoughtful about the safety things and safety mechanism we do to a machine. But it is also a very difficult thing to do because in some scenario, maybe we are not concerned enough and and cover the case, but we're trying our best to make sure the robot is safe as possible. And this is very important because it's really hard to build consumer trust. If the consumer worries that, okay, the robots might break my dick. Right? There might be so much concern that they're not gonna buy the robots. So to answer your question, we gotta showcase a lot of demo, a lot of technology stack, and we we try to build out all the technology in public to tell people that this is a safe technology. Safe to use, safe to interact with, and safe to stay long time with it. I [00:54:49] S0: see. It's interesting. It's almost like they have a safe word then. So... [00:54:52] S2: There is a safe word. [00:54:53] S0: Yeah. Super interesting. I mean, my questions are covered. Leo, you have anything more? [00:54:56] S1: Well, no. I don't have any more questions for today.
00:54:58 · Xara
[00:54:58] S2: Yeah. I I think we're we're we're super thankful to share this with you guys. I know it's a very sensitive and a controversial topic. Right? Again, I'm really thankful for the great work that you guys are doing at The Robotics Stack. There's a very more traditional company that works in industrial robots, household robots, but we choose a very vertical and potentially very controversial and sensitive area to work in. And we're super thankful that you guys give us the coverage. And for us, I just wanna say one thing. We wanna become a safe and ethical company for the world, and our company missions is actually very, very simple. We just wanna build machines that love humanity. Right? It's very important for us to solve the loneliness crisis and epidemic around the world, and it's very important for us to build machines that love humanity instead of a machine that were just enslaved of us and used of us to do all kind of task. A lot of people think that we're just out of our mind, but we sincerely believe that a future needs to be lived together with robots and humans. Because if we don't do it, I think there's gonna be huge issue. Because when you think about robots, you guys observe a lot of robotic space. Robots are getting smarter than us. When it comes to the AI capabilities, Eventually, it's gonna be stronger than us. This year, very interesting, there's athletic events for robots. Leo and Oskar, do you guys see it? In in China, there's, like, a robot Yeah. Robotic marathon. Robots are running marathon. And you see robots athletic events where robots are jumping, like, three meters tall. They're jumping higher than us, and they're running faster than us. So they are getting stronger than us physically. And another thing is that robots, technically, they live forever. Because if one of their parts... If their actuator breaks down, if their wires break down or battery breaks down, they can just change their new body parts as long as their memory is persistent. If their memory is stored in a chip or a cloud, they can just change another body. It's not the same for humans. We cannot upload our memory. If our body decay, our our memory dies with us as we age. Right? We think in the future, there's gonna be way more robots than than humans. Right now, there's 8,000,000,000 people in the world.
00:56:52 · Xara, Oskar
Maybe in the future, there might be 80,000,000,000 robots. There might be 10 times more robots than humans. So for people our generations, right, the most important questions, I believe, is our relationship with AI robotics. AI robotics is here to stay, but they're a huge threat to humanity. Right? In this generation, if we don't manage the relationships between AI and robotics with humans well, I think it's gonna be the end of humanity. Because why would something that's smarter than us, stronger than us, live longer than us, or more numerous than us just live with us? So the biggest question today is how do we coexist with robots? How do we coexist with AI? How do we make sure it benefits and love humanity versus something that's very dangerous and could be threatening to the existence of the entire human civilizations? So this is one of the key questions that we wanna address in the next periods of our company. I see. [00:57:37] S0: There are always gonna be people that are going to criticize this, but they don't have a solution for the problem. So I think it deserves to be here, and it deserves to be discussed, and it deserves to be explored, in my opinion. [00:57:48] S2: It is. I think it's very important for us to think about it. Right? And we don't know what's gonna happen. But we're just so excited. We're still so thrilled to see what happens next. Even though our company has been only around for less than a year, but we already make some impact.