01:04:15 · Dmitry Zlokazov, Lenny Rachitsky
[01:04:15] S0: The Hard Thing About Hard Things by Ben Horowitz. Actually, I read it quite some time ago, but I I found myself recommending it to other product managers most often. It's actually illustrative that to be a great product manager, someone needs to strive to be in a great CEO. And besides this book emphasizes the importance of building systematic solutions and scalable solutions, which is critical for scaling the company. Also, be... Being honest on how important it is to grind stuff. And then second book is... I I read it more recently, Built by Tony Fadell. I was really inspired by this one, especially given how I appreciate how it's not easy to build hardware and what what Tony was describing there. It's just it's just super exciting and and inspiring. And, also, I, you know, I think that there are different archetypes of product managers. There are people who tend to disrupt things more. Personally, I think about myself as of a builder. So Tony is a principle that he highlighted in the book. They they resonate with me a lot. [01:05:44] S1: I'm trying to get Tony on the podcast. If anyone listening knows Tony Fidel and can nudge him, hey. Say yes to Lenny. That'd be great. I've been in touch with his team. He's not doing podcasts right now, but I'm trying to get him on. Okay. Moving on. Do have a favorite recent movie or TV show that you've really enjoyed?
01:05:44 · Lenny Rachitsky, Dmitry Zlokazov
[01:05:44] S1: I'm trying to get Tony on the podcast. If anyone listening knows Tony Fidel and can nudge him, hey. Say yes to Lenny. That'd be great. I've been in touch with his team. He's not doing podcasts right now, but I'm trying to get him on. Okay. Moving on. Do have a favorite recent movie or TV show that you've really enjoyed? [01:05:58] S0: I think the last movie I watched was Oppenheimer, and I really liked it. I always love watching biopics. I think they give you kind of a perspective and let you think about, you know, things in perspective. [01:06:16] S1: Is there a favorite product you recently discovered that you really love? [01:06:20] S0: Manus is a is a great thing. The AI agent. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's just like I was super impressed how I... I was mesmerized. Like, it's it's so autonomous and smooth, and I I just spent, like, a few hours the vibe coding, and I created this JavaScript app that sends me a rare English word every day to learn and remember. And it, like, it it... It's... It worked, and I was I was just amazed. [01:06:52] S1: What's what's it learned? What's a word you learned? [01:06:56] S0: Ineffable. It was the yes. [01:06:57] S1: I It was love that it's still going. That's great. Do you have a favorite life motto that you often come back to find useful in work or in life?
01:06:57 · Lenny Rachitsky, Dmitry Zlokazov
[01:06:57] S1: I It was love that it's still going. That's great. Do you have a favorite life motto that you often come back to find useful in work or in life? [01:07:07] S0: I love this phrase. I think Eisenhower said it. Plans are worthless, but planning is everything. It's it's like, you know, we we we often say how important it is to be flexible and agile and adjust to changing circumstances, but it doesn't allow us to actually not have a plan at all. It's important for us to remember that, you know, we we we always need to think many steps ahead. And while being flexible, we also need to to think things thoroughly. [01:07:43] S1: Final question. For folks that are maybe checking out Revolut for the first time, that wanna play with it already users, what's the most underrated feature? What's something that you think people should check out maybe they're not aware of? Or even just like a UX, I don't know, animation, something fun that people may not know about? [01:07:58] S0: The thing that is not yet widely used, but I really loved it, is what we call a wealth protection. So if you go to settings, you can enable a limit for any transfers outside of Revolut. And if you want to do a transfer above this limit, you will have to do a selfie check, which is our proprietary technology. We do a video selfie that allows us to make sure that it's you. No one else is doing the transfer. And, essentially, it's almost as smooth as face ID, and the way team built it is is really great. I was... I'm really proud of those guys.
01:07:58 · Dmitry Zlokazov, Lenny Rachitsky
[01:07:58] S0: The thing that is not yet widely used, but I really loved it, is what we call a wealth protection. So if you go to settings, you can enable a limit for any transfers outside of Revolut. And if you want to do a transfer above this limit, you will have to do a selfie check, which is our proprietary technology. We do a video selfie that allows us to make sure that it's you. No one else is doing the transfer. And, essentially, it's almost as smooth as face ID, and the way team built it is is really great. I was... I'm really proud of those guys. [01:08:38] S1: Dmitry, you guys are doing something very special. I really appreciate you spending so much time with me chatting through all the things you guys have figured out. I think this is gonna help a lot of different companies level up the way they think about product and for people to join Revolut that wanna experience this and accelerate their career. So thank you for being here. Two final questions. Where can folks find you if they wanna reach And how can listeners be useful to you? [01:08:59] S0: I think the best way is to find me on LinkedIn. And, yeah, I would be happy to receive a note from anyone on how we can improve the product, any feedback on the product. And also, if you know someone who can be a great fit to Revolut after you've listened to what I've told, then, yeah, I would be grateful for that as well. [01:09:26] S1: Awesome. You're about to get a flood of applications. Get prepared. Dmitry, Yeah. Make you [01:09:32] S0: Lenny, thanks a lot. It was amazing to [01:09:34] S1: be here.
01:09:34 · Lenny Rachitsky, Dmitry Zlokazov
[01:09:34] S1: be here. [01:09:34] S0: Thank you very much. [01:09:35] S1: Same. Bye, everyone. Thank you so much for listening. If you found this valuable, you can subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Also, please consider giving us a rating or leaving a review as that really helps other listeners find the podcast. You can find all past episodes or learn more about the show at lenny'spodcast.com. See you in the next episode.