The Robot Report Podcast
00:26:04 · Aaron Nathan, Mike Oitzman
All of those things are enabled because now we have a lot more capability in the, like, general robotics world, which actually pushes further on this problem that, like, location has to work all the time because you have robots trying to do more things, and so the stakes are higher. The, the bounds of, like, hey. Can you make a mistake, are actually smaller. So if anything, like, the problem has become even more important. And I think, you know, that's that's something that the industry is starting to really pick up on is, hey. This is something that's not, like, a simple thing on the side. When I actually get to scale, it becomes, like, a foundational block that, like, really has to work all the time. Mhmm. [00:26:53] S1: We're gonna dive deeper into your technology a little bit later on in in the conversation here. But across that... The scope of the last twenty years, I mean, I think of the evolution what we have as consumers. Our cell phones can now tell us where we are. Google Maps tells us... Gets us from point a to point b today. But along the way, it seems like GPS has been ubiquitous along that whole path. But you know, what's really changed in the last twenty years with GPS or... And or maybe some of the other technologies that that are helping support this?
00:27:28 · Aaron Nathan
[00:27:28] S2: Yeah. I mean, satellite navigation is like a broad topic, which is GPS is like the US government's flavor of that. It has been available, you know, kinda since the nineties. There is this whole thing where the government, there used to be, like, a scrambling that was on top of GPS that they removed and signed into law that they will not use that scrambling. And then, you know, the whole industry of... I'm sure everyone remembers, you know, putting that sticky Garmin thing on your windshield to navigate around here. That was that was like a whole whole thing, I think, when I was in high school or something. So... But, yeah, so satellite navigation has been evolving but slowly. And, I mean, part of this is that GPS satellites are very complex, very expensive, and they technically are a DoD asset first. You know? So there's constraints that they have on things that they need to be able to do all the time. But that said, you know, we moved from a world where GPS and then the Russian system called GLONASS were really the two major systems that were out there. Then the European Union, they launched Galileo, which was, you know, basically a full navigation system similar to GPS. And then, you also have the Chinese that launched Beidou, which is a very advanced navigation system that also works similarly to GPS. And so, your phone, when you're walking around, uses all of those. It's not just using GPS. It's actually using all of these different, what we call, Geonetscess systems. And the accuracy you get from them is higher just because you have more satellites, more points. The other big thing that's happened is GPS and all of its cousins, there's... Traditionally was one frequency that they would use. And without getting too much into the weeds, like, having two frequencies or three frequencies now, allows them to be actually much more precise because of how the physics works out. And so, this is a big thing now that, like, literally consumer level devices like what's in your phone are able to use, not just one, but two frequencies. And, you know, consumers have seen this, like, Apple actually made, like, a big deal about it when they launched the latest Apple Watch, which was like, yeah. What do you see?
00:29:56 · Aaron Nathan, Eugene Demetri
It's like, well, while I'm running, you know, in the city or something, my actual Strava track or whatever it is I'm recording on, like, looks really good because you're actually now able to use those two frequencies. I mean, big technical things that had to happen, like, ultimately do result in these consumer facing improvements. [00:30:18] S3: So, Aaron, let's talk about Point One Nav's upcoming FUSE conference. I understand it's not a product conference, but Randall won about location technology. Why have a conference about location technology?
00:30:18 · Eugene Demetri, Aaron Nathan
[00:30:18] S3: So, Aaron, let's talk about Point One Nav's upcoming FUSE conference. I understand it's not a product conference, but Randall won about location technology. Why have a conference about location technology? [00:30:30] S2: Yeah. So I think, you know, we have a very unique perspective that we are a location technology company, but we are made up of a bunch of people that have come from the robotics industry and other kinds of, like, what I like to call more the application side. And so we've had a number of customers go through this very difficult journey of bringing these complex products to market at scale, and location tech has been a big part of making that actually happen. And so we really wanted to be able to bring people together and then have a lot of people be able to hear this is how we did it in the real world as, you know, companies that are going through that journey. And, you know, that this is not about necessarily using Point One or our technology or something. It is really about how do you, like, design these systems so that you do get the reliability of actually delivering a useful functional product in the real world. So this is an, I think, just like a huge gap in, the market. And so we're super excited to bring together, you know, those who build, and see that as a place for us to kinda share ideas and experiences and learn together. [00:31:54] S3: And can you give us a sense of who's coming to the event and when exactly is it?
00:31:54 · Eugene Demetri, Aaron Nathan, Mike Oitzman
[00:31:54] S3: And can you give us a sense of who's coming to the event and when exactly is it? [00:31:59] S2: Yeah. So we have an amazing list of speakers for the conference, and, you know, this is people that I've worked with, you know, worked with our company, Brian Shimf, who's the CEO of Anderol, Ali Agha from Field AI, Adrian McNeil from Foxglove. And we're really trying to bring people that come from different parts of the industry, whether they are building robots, building tools for robots, or building full scale systems around robotics so that you have that variety of experiences. The actual event, it's going to be at the Foundry in San Francisco on November 19. [00:32:45] S1: Great. Well, look. I'm a geek. I wanna come back to the technology. Always interested to to learn more. You know, we were talking about, you know, the the accuracy of of what we're able to see today. And and, again, it's key for any systems developer who's who's building the technology to to locate themselves. So I I think you're known as a RTK corrections provider in in some sense, but you... Again, you love calling yourself a a location technology provider. What's the difference there?
00:32:45 · Mike Oitzman, Aaron Nathan
[00:32:45] S1: Great. Well, look. I'm a geek. I wanna come back to the technology. Always interested to to learn more. You know, we were talking about, you know, the the accuracy of of what we're able to see today. And and, again, it's key for any systems developer who's who's building the technology to to locate themselves. So I I think you're known as a RTK corrections provider in in some sense, but you... Again, you love calling yourself a a location technology provider. What's the difference there? [00:33:18] S2: Yeah. So maybe to help those who aren't familiar with RTK as a tech, RTK is a specific flavor of GPS technology that allows you to go from the five meters of accuracy you'll get from a normal receiver down to a handful, like two centimeters of accuracy. This technology has been used by surveyors. I mean, we used it, you know, twenty years ago in the urban challenge. The biggest challenge with RTK is that it's not a ubiquitous technology or at least it wasn't. And so you had to, like, do a bunch of infrastructure and everything that you had to build yourself to make it really work. And [00:34:02] S1: Ground stations.