AI Is a Mirror. Do We Like What We See? w/ Lara Sophie Bothur

00:36:15 · Evan Helda, Lara Sophie BothurPlay from here

[00:36:15] S1: It's almost like we need a renaissance in philosophy. Philosophy was the most important thing back in the ancient Greek and Roman times, right? And I think it's lost its luster amongst the general public in the last, we'll call it 50 to 100 years. But I totally agree with you. I think that is the most simple answer to like, how do we avoid the black mirror scenario? Humans are the final trigger point, final decision maker. But then it comes down to like, okay, then humans have to really decide what's right and wrong and what's good and bad. And that those are all super deeply philosophical questions. And I mean, this [00:36:56] S0: sitting down here, you know, how often I already wanted to look up something. You already looked up something. I want to, you know, search for the definition of But it's like, you know, really sit down, not using tech to discuss it. I think that is also super interesting. So we as humans can already align. And I think this is already the biggest challenge because we are all already not aligned because we're not talking enough about it. And communication is always the key to everything. Because there are so many misconceptions about things because we didn't talk about it. And you can see it in relationships. And then, you know, people say, oh, I thought you meant it this way. And then you're like, no. So we really need to talk about those future technologies to define what we want them to be. I think that is super important.

00:36:56 · Lara Sophie Bothur, Evan HeldaPlay from here

[00:36:56] S0: sitting down here, you know, how often I already wanted to look up something. You already looked up something. I want to, you know, search for the definition of But it's like, you know, really sit down, not using tech to discuss it. I think that is also super interesting. So we as humans can already align. And I think this is already the biggest challenge because we are all already not aligned because we're not talking enough about it. And communication is always the key to everything. Because there are so many misconceptions about things because we didn't talk about it. And you can see it in relationships. And then, you know, people say, oh, I thought you meant it this way. And then you're like, no. So we really need to talk about those future technologies to define what we want them to be. I think that is super important. [00:37:58] S1: It actually made me think of something strange and recursive in that. There's a world in which we all try to figure out the answer to what's right and wrong and philosophize. But this next, this current wave of leaders and thinkers, the source of their thinking there's this making is the AI itself. So I was like, how do we get into a world of like unadulterated, unaffected, purely human thought that might already be gone.

00:37:58 · Evan Helda, Lara Sophie BothurPlay from here

[00:37:58] S1: It actually made me think of something strange and recursive in that. There's a world in which we all try to figure out the answer to what's right and wrong and philosophize. But this next, this current wave of leaders and thinkers, the source of their thinking there's this making is the AI itself. So I was like, how do we get into a world of like unadulterated, unaffected, purely human thought that might already be gone. [00:38:33] S0: I mean, I think so. If I, if I check social media, there's like so much AI and then you have AI avatars or influencers and influencers are becoming very powerful. Right. And, um, to have a like purely human thought, I think this will be very rare in the future. Also, because data, there's, we don't even know where our data is. It's super unstructured. You know, we have so many gaps inside our data assets, and then they are already filled up with AI. And nothing at one point. It's just like everything AI. And then we live with AI. They are inside our homes. Would you do that?

00:38:33 · Lara Sophie Bothur, Evan HeldaPlay from here

[00:38:33] S0: I mean, I think so. If I, if I check social media, there's like so much AI and then you have AI avatars or influencers and influencers are becoming very powerful. Right. And, um, to have a like purely human thought, I think this will be very rare in the future. Also, because data, there's, we don't even know where our data is. It's super unstructured. You know, we have so many gaps inside our data assets, and then they are already filled up with AI. And nothing at one point. It's just like everything AI. And then we live with AI. They are inside our homes. Would you do that? [00:39:17] S1: Honestly, yes. I Currently I'm in the middle of finding a new nanny and I'm always finding babysitters and need help around the house. Cause there is something special about having a really great nanny who has all the soft skills, who can hold and cuddle and read a book to Chloe. I think it's actually a bit of both would be the perfect scenario. Cause right now our nanny doesn't like doing the dishes and helping with laundry and it's a source of friction to be honest with you. So if we could, if we could pair a lightweight humanoid with a nanny, I think that's, that's the ultimate outcome. And I think that's actually a great metaphor for everything we're talking about is it's, it's this whole centaur, you know, this whole idea of like centaur chess. Have you heard of centaur chess? [00:40:11] S0: Yeah. Yeah.

00:40:11 · Lara Sophie Bothur, Evan HeldaPlay from here

[00:40:11] S0: Yeah. Yeah. [00:40:12] S1: Like human machine chess, uh, versus just machine on human. And I think it's gonna be the same thing in factories, same thing in warehouses. You're just gonna have these humanoids side by side with humans. Going back to something you said earlier about AI influencers and avatars, and it's just starting to become, your competition for storytelling and attention is these digital versions of you. How do you think about using that type of technology Give you an edge to extend yourself. Are you thinking about that type of future? You have so much content, so much video, so much text. Are you thinking about how to use it? [00:40:56] S0: Yeah, sure. Maybe just one comment to your Nettie thing is that I like the idea of, because your Nettie doesn't like to do the dishwasher stuff, but you would not like the humanoid to cuddle your Chloe, right? So that's the thing. I would not like that either, you know, if my robot wants to cuddle me. It's weird. [00:41:24] S1: I don't know. That could be an edge in the market. You create a humor that's really, really good at cuddling. That's, that's going to move units for sure. You know, the

00:41:24 · Evan Helda, Lara Sophie BothurPlay from here

[00:41:24] S1: I don't know. That could be an edge in the market. You create a humor that's really, really good at cuddling. That's, that's going to move units for sure. You know, the [00:41:31] S0: loneliness is, this is a big trend, loneliness as a product. It's, um, I just leave that, you know, it's so weird, but loneliness because of the digital word, it has become a product. And with everything around that, you, you know, And it also goes together with human eyes. And it's interesting because with every movement, there's a counter movement. So we all have those phones. Now we offer digital detox. That's so weird. [00:42:03] S1: It's the whole industry now.