Long Strange Trip: CEO to CEO with Brian Halligan
00:54:52 · Brian Halligan
And I think that's probably life in the fast lane. As your employees start having families and you're hiring people to families, it's just hard to get people in the office six days of work working nine to nine. But I think keep it going as long as you can. If you're doing nine nine six, I think it's good. I was nine nine six, but I didn't ask my team to be nine nine six. We talked a lot about Europe. There's two amazing companies in Europe. In Europe, so we started in Boston, and Boston's a little bit out like Europe. You're, like, outside the echo chamber of Silicon Valley, and there's some real pluses and minuses to being outside of the valley. The pluses are you end up being a very large fish in a very small pond, which can help, And you have really good access to talent and not a lot of competition for that talent. So real pluses. The minuses we found out at HubSpot and they're gonna find out is inside of Boston, there's just not a lot of scale tech companies. So we had a hard time finding executives who had seen that movie on that next level of scale. Like, we took a couple people from Akamai and that worked out, but it was pretty lean. And so we started hiring execs out in San Francisco. So real pluses and minuses to being in a big city. If I had to do HubSpot over again, by the way, you didn't ask, but, I would have... We were in Boston. I'd have a big office in Boston, big office in San Francisco, then another big office in, I don't know, Nashville or Denver or Toronto would be pretty good where you can hire lots and lots of people for less money and have them be a little bit more loyal than, let's say, in your San Francisco office. I wouldn't let everybody work from home. I'd have three big hubs. Okay. We wound up obviously talking about Europe. They're both in Europe. Really encouraging for Europe. The world could use more Silicon Valleys, and the world could use, you know, a vibrant European entrepreneurial scene. I love to hear from them that the engineering schools are chock full of kids that want to start companies. I think that's going to be good for the world and good for Europe. So I'm excited about that. I hope you enjoyed the episode. I really liked it. These two are great. I will see you on the next episode of Long Strange Trip.