Sachin and Adam
00:28:39 · Adam, Sachin
[00:28:39] S1: Yeah. It's not like we have to do all these things. It's like we get to do it. Like, we get to work on the weekends. We love it and stuff. I think overall we're probably... I think that's [00:28:46] S0: a great phrase like stop saying like you have to do this like you get to do this
00:28:50 · Adam
[00:28:50] S1: and it's like and like when work feels like play that's like such a thing I'm grateful for and something that a lot of people don't feel in their lives but like there's also like this big element of pressure like you know we have salaries to pay now for other people and like we you know I think we both realized that this business is going to be so so hard to be successful like first we have to become big creators then we have to like build this like network in in in Southeast Asia, then we have to like release lean, there's so many things that could go wrong. So it's like this mixture between being realistic and enjoying the journey. But I think like we're both probably the happiest we've been in like maybe even like our whole adult lives. Like I think that despite not having that much social life, I'm probably like someone the happiest I've ever been in like a very, very long time. And that's very telling to the things that also give you happiness. Like, when you said that point, like, yesterday, was looking at, this party of, like, Bondi influencers. I'm like, oh, should I live like a Bondi life and go out a lot and stuff? And then, like... And and that's just not me at all. Like, it's, you know, identically me at all. And just... It just really shows the power of social media and trying to, like, have it all. And we're doing a pretty good job in the sense of, like, we're still socializing, we're staying fit. It's just like a different modality of being. But I think, like, what I've realized is that everything happens in seasons in life. Like, I think when you're younger in your twenties, you're like, oh, like, this is forever. But there's so much gray area and I think that we're gonna have seasons where we party more again. Like, that's definitely gonna happen. Like, if we go to Europe eventually or even like coming up soon, like there's going to be more socializing. Like some of our best friends are coming back to the country for a little bit. There's going to be more socializing. Like everything happens in seasons. Nothing is like permanent. And also like if you do feel like something's permanent and you're stuck, you can change it at any moment. Like, we could literally just book a four day festival and go like... And and like our business, like, would suffer a little bit, but it's not like we... Not anyone's gonna die kind of thing.
00:30:39 · Sachin
[00:30:39] S0: So like everything's impermanent to a certain degree. Yeah. I really resonate with, like, embracing seasons. I think that part of the... Like, for me, I've always struggled to do that because I always like living an exciting life one on the go. And I've really tried to, like, embrace this idea of just boredom as well. Like, when you give yourself, okay, Saturday and Sunday, I'm just gonna stay home. I'm gonna work, do life admin. And inevitably, what will come up during that day is a bunch of boredom and, like, you sort of have FOMO about thinking about other things you could be doing. But it can be really good just to be bored and calm and, like, really leaning into that and doing, like, bits of life admin around the house and, like, just making sure your life feels, you know, sort of like stable and all that stuff and just realizing that is like a part of
00:31:22 · Adam, Sachin
[00:31:22] S1: life as well. Something else is funny, and maybe this is a point we finish up on is like, so we both used to live in a share house. I know about old podcasts were recorded there. I think the first three to four months that we moved back home, I really struggled because I was like, there was this sense of like youthful twenties that was gone. Like I live pretty far away from the city. You know, I'm grateful to have a house to go back to and all that kind of stuff. Right? But nowadays, like, I don't miss that share house life at all just because we wouldn't actually be doing anything different there. Like, we'd just be working and like, so it's almost like... And it feels like there's less distractions, like in the suburbs as well. Like, I almost don't know if I'll move back out now for another, like, eighteen months just because, you know, how that relates to work life. It's... It it just [00:32:04] S0: be very difficult to make. I think you do bring up a real point that it's like there is this alternative lifestyle where we could be living that more, like, fun mid twenties lifestyle, and, like, we're definitely not embracing that lifestyle. We we could have that, like, actually move out to a share house with fun people and live that fun life. And, like, I I do think about that. Yes. I I also think, like, when
00:32:25 · Adam
[00:32:25] S1: I was young, when I was 18, I was always like, why do people, like, work a nine to five and come home and watch Netflix? Like, don't they wanna build something more for their lives? But I think, like, there's an element of maturity where you realize that, like, you can really enjoy those things. And I I really believe that a lot of people that live quote, unquote, more simple kind of balanced lives where they, you know, go to a job and they go out with their friends on the weekend, I actually think they're gonna be happier than a lot of people that build billion dollar companies. I don't know if they'll be more fulfilled, and that's not up to me to judge. And I don't really like... I don't think it's great to think about how fulfilled someone else is. But like, if that's their true nature and that's actually what they really like doing, I think there's something really beautiful in that. And it's something that I used to almost like demonize before, like not working hard at your goals or whatever. And now I work a lot... Meet a lot of people working hard at their goals. I think a lot of them are very tortured people. A lot of them have like darkness in their lives. It's not put out to the surface. So don't like... I don't
00:33:19 · Sachin
[00:33:19] S0: think it's the best way to live anymore, which is an interesting change in thinking patterns. A quote I really loved from the David Perell podcast was that he talks about this idea of surrendering to your nature a lot. It's just that idea of, like, truly becoming who you are. And I think we can say anything we want, but at end of the day, people will eventually become who they are. Like, if you're that more relaxed person that loves a wholesome and balanced life, you'll probably become that. If you are a super intense person, super ambitious, you may end up trying to build a unicorn company. And they come with pros and cons. And the thing is is that, like, we may say that they live a happier life for people that have a more balanced life, and I'm increasingly believing that's true. But I don't think it would also, like, ever fit into that as well. Because I feel like we're just, like, weirdly obsessive and intense people. But I think I'm increasingly believing that is true. That, like, that is the sort of the good life where life is focused on, like, friends, family, a bit of balance. Like, when we meet founders, have we met, like, a non extremely stressed founder Yeah. In the past few months? Like, all of them are so stressed. And it's funny because they'll talk a lot about the stress and the difficulty of their life, but then at the end, they'll, like, always say, like, I wouldn't change it for a thing though. Like most of them say that because there is this very deeper meaning and mission.