00:26:18 · Joshua Goodman, Joshua Goodman, Joe Weisenthal
[00:26:18] S1: Because it builds cleanliness in the neighborhood in general. [00:26:21] S5: So right now, those bags are coming out of your sealed container. [00:26:24] S1: They're going to the curb. [00:26:25] S5: Sanitation workers are taking them out and putting them in the back. They should be going out because you have fewer than nine units in an official NYC bin. And if they are not, you are subject to a summons as. [00:26:37] S0: Of September of this year. [00:26:41] S1: Let's slow down. [00:26:42] S5: But the trash is essentially not supposed to, from a building of your size, not supposed to sit on the ground directly anymore. [00:26:48] S1: It never does, actually. [00:26:50] S0: So it goes out in a bin. [00:26:51] S5: Sanitation workers can either tip the bin manually, or soon the trucks will have a rear tipper for the small buildings. [00:26:58] S0: Yeah, we have the real bins. [00:27:00] S1: So they.
00:27:01 · Joshua Goodman
[00:27:01] S5: They have the bar on them. The bar hooks up to the rear tipper and it goes in the back. For the Empire bin, for larger buildings, we had to design an all new truck for this. I mentioned that New York City is the first place in North America to do on-street containerization. Once we studied rear loading versus side loading, container models, we came up with what we wanted to do. And we discovered that one of the long poles in the tent was going to be that there was no, what's called an automated side loader, ASL truck, that was appropriate for residential use in New York City. Like They have one that they use at the Port of Philadelphia. I saw this thing operate. It was so loud. The idea that it was going to come down your street was ludicrous. So we talked to some truck industry experts and heard that it would probably take about five years to design a truck from scratch. You can't just import the ones from Europe. There's different emission standards. We were not going to wait five years for that. So we actually got involved in the Department of Sanitation in the truck design business, something I knew nothing about going into this. And we learned how to do it. And we got a prototype truck built in about 10 months. And that's the truck that is now rolling off the line. It's operating in West Harlem. We're getting them in for the other districts going forward. So it's a combination of vendors. This is actually how we were able to do it so quickly. It's the European body, the side-loading body. And Mack makes the chassis exactly the same as they do for many of our current collection trucks.
00:28:24 · Joshua Goodman, Joshua Goodman, Tracy Alloway
[00:28:24] S1: And then we work with. [00:28:27] S5: a firm that specializes in getting the two sets of electronics to talk to each other. [00:28:31] S1: And we've got. [00:28:33] S5: Probably about 20 of them operating now out of our full fleet of 2,300 or so, but they'll continue to come in as this program rolls out over the next. [00:28:41] S1: Five or six years. [00:28:42] S2: I want to go back to something you touched on earlier, which is deciding where the bins actually go, because this is a meaningful way in which the Department of Sanitation might actually change the look and feel of of New York. So when you're choosing where to put a bin, I mean, as you said, space is at a premium in New York and there's a bunch of other stuff that could go in that bin space. You could have a parking space being the obvious one or, I don't know, a space for deliveries or people to get in and out of taxi cabs, whatever. Talk a little bit more about the decision-making process for doing that and how you're judging the value of collecting trash versus other things. [00:29:20] S1: Absolutely.
00:29:20 · Joshua Goodman, Joshua Goodman
[00:29:20] S1: Absolutely. [00:29:22] S5: One of the reasons that we were not interested in the European model of shared containers for the most part is because you then face this challenge of like, well, why is it in front of my house and not your house if it's for both of us? Under the model we came up with where larger buildings support their own bin, it's in front of your building. because it's for your building. So that eliminates a lot of the concerns about spatial jockeying. Okay, I live in a 50-unit building, we get an empire bin, and it goes right in. [00:29:49] S1: Front of the building. [00:29:50] S5: And it's important to remember that while this is taking up curb space, it's freeing up sidewalk space where the bags are currently kept for collection. So you get that space back for pedestrians. We've also heard, especially in West Harlem, from quite a few supers and waste managers who say, I love that I don't have to keep it in the building anymore. [00:30:12] S1: I just got. [00:30:13] S5: 30 to 50 square feet of building space back without any new additional construction because where I used to put the trash, it can now go straight into the bin outside. [00:30:24] S1: That said, the street layout issues are huge.
00:30:24 · Joshua Goodman, Joshua Goodman
[00:30:24] S1: That said, the street layout issues are huge. [00:30:27] S5: And we work very closely with the City Department of Transportation on coordinating around some of the things that I mentioned, you know, hydrants, curb cuts. We don't take designated handicap spaces. We've also in BK2, the second district that's coming online, we were interested in piloting shared containers within our locked model. by buildings that opt in to share. So we said, you know, two small buildings decide they don't qualify on their own, but they. [00:30:56] S1: Want to share one. [00:30:57] S5: And that actually really exposed some of the street limitations. There were a handful of buildings that were interested and they were on streets with full no parking, no place to put them. So it's something we'll continue to explore in future zones. But absolutely, you know, we think that the initial, what we call the future of trash report back in spring of 22, where we sort of first began to. [00:31:18] S1: Look at the feasibility of this in a meaningful way. [00:31:21] S5: Said that on-street containerization could take up to 150,000 parking spaces. Now, that was before we had gotten into, and that's out of 3 million total in the city. That was before we had gotten into some of the details. Once we had analyzed it much further and gone down the road on implementation, we're now looking at about a fifth of that. When we went back and did the Back to the Future of Trash report, we found that it was more like 30,000 spaces at full rollout, and it could be fewer based on the opt-ins.
00:31:21 · Joshua Goodman, Joe Weisenthal, Joshua Goodman, Joe Weisenthal
[00:31:21] S5: Said that on-street containerization could take up to 150,000 parking spaces. Now, that was before we had gotten into, and that's out of 3 million total in the city. That was before we had gotten into some of the details. Once we had analyzed it much further and gone down the road on implementation, we're now looking at about a fifth of that. When we went back and did the Back to the Future of Trash report, we found that it was more like 30,000 spaces at full rollout, and it could be fewer based on the opt-ins. [00:31:49] S4: Can we just talk a little bit more about the perspective of the sanitation workers? So first of all, how many are on a truck right now? [00:31:56] S1: Two. There's two people on a truck. [00:31:58] S5: Currently. Yes. [00:31:58] S0: And it will still be two under the new- That's correct. [00:32:01] S5: Yes. [00:32:02] S0: And how does. [00:32:02] S4: Their walk me through literally what they physically do? They go and collect it, et cetera. How does it look different now or future versus now?