00:47:22 · Tracy Alloway, Joshua Goodman, Joe Weisenthal, Joshua Goodman, Joe Weisenthal, Tracy Alloway
[00:47:22] S3: They're trying to figure out what's there. [00:47:23] S5: You know, and my hope is that that will change. And, you know, I love the fact that in Tokyo, they have seven waste streams, whereas we've just gone from three to four. They separate so many more types of material. There are things that we could take from all over the world. But I think that the biggest thing that I hope that we continue to take is just a willingness to change. [00:47:45] S4: By the way, if anyone's listening to this episode, you should watch it on YouTube because our guest here has a really cool jacket that I'm very jealous of. And I'm always jealous of Zoran's jackets, too. [00:47:57] S1: He's got one of these. [00:47:58] S0: Yeah, I'm sure he does. And every time I see one of these press conferences, it's. [00:48:04] S1: You know, it's autumn in New York. [00:48:06] S5: No matter how cool you think your jacket is, somebody has a cooler jacket. [00:48:10] S1: So it's just part of the job. [00:48:12] S2: Josh Goodman, thank you so much for coming on Odd Lots. [00:48:14] S3: Really appreciate it. [00:48:14] S1: It was my pleasure. Thank you both so much. And don't litter. [00:48:16] S0: Yes. [00:48:31] S3: Joe, That was a really interesting conversation. [00:48:35] S2: Something that I don't think about that much, even though I'm in New York City all the time, how our trash actually gets collected. I do think there is an underlying political architecture that is like, there's a major political choice in having residential garbage not be pay as you go. [00:48:51] S1: True, true.
00:48:51 · Joshua Goodman, Tracy Alloway, Tracy Alloway, Joshua Goodman, Joe Weisenthal, Joe Weisenthal
[00:48:51] S1: True, true. [00:48:52] S2: And so the big question is, do heavy wasters basically. [00:48:56] S3: Get subsidized by people who aren't throwing. [00:48:58] S5: Out that much? [00:48:59] S1: No, you're right. There's a lot. [00:49:00] S4: And, you know, we could have gotten into that question of, like, should it be completely, I guess, socialized. [00:49:07] S0: One thing I appreciate, you know, people always whine. [00:49:09] S4: They're like, oh, New York City paid a million and a half dollars to McKinsey to do a study on trash and they produced it. [00:49:16] S0: Like, it's complicated. [00:49:17] S4: And there's two things. One is collecting the data, et cetera. These are complicated things. And two, it would be kind of weird for a city to already have had that expertise in-house because you're not doing major studies of the trash system every year. [00:49:35] S1: You hopefully. [00:49:36] S4: maybe do this once every couple of decades or something like that. [00:49:39] S3: Yeah. [00:49:39] S0: So I don't know. [00:49:40] S4: I'm very like, I think people have this knee jerk response. Like, why did, why did you pay another company and tell you that this is how they do it in Barcelona? Well, it's like, well, there's a lot of very interesting data. You know, this whole question of you asked the question, how do you switch from measuring weight of. [00:49:58] S0: Trash to volume of trash? How do you do that? It doesn't seem like a trivial question. [00:50:02] S1: I have no idea. [00:50:03] S0: Bring in a bunch of, measurements, et cetera.
00:50:03 · Joe Weisenthal, Joe Weisenthal, Joshua Goodman, Tracy Alloway
[00:50:03] S0: Bring in a bunch of, measurements, et cetera. [00:50:07] S4: So I have an appreciation for like just the amount of sort of planning work that would have to go into this. [00:50:12] S1: Yeah. [00:50:12] S2: The other, the volumetric analysis seems really difficult to me. And despite that, they seem to have done it and, you know, they're getting a handle on what's needed. But the other thing that's really difficult or strikes me as very difficult is the placement of the bins. [00:50:27] S1: Yeah. Right. [00:50:28] S2: And this idea that you are actually changing New York's landscape, hopefully for the better. But in the meantime, you are taking up previously public space and having to figure out like the cost benefit analysis of doing that for literally every single building in. [00:50:45] S0: New York city. [00:50:46] S1: Yeah. [00:50:46] S4: That's pretty wild to think about just like how many blocks there are, but you know what? Like, I mean, I understand people park on the street and stuff like that, but that's socialized too. Why do, why do I, you know, that's really valuable real estate that some lucky people get to like park for. [00:51:04] S0: Free, et cetera. [00:51:05] S2: So, The only thing I'm going to miss is seeing the occasional rat eating. [00:51:10] S0: Pizza or something. [00:51:11] S4: You know, I'm really interested in the war on rats. You know, that was, I thought, something very, very inspiring during the Adams administration is seeing those numbers. [00:51:21] S1: Of rat sightings.
00:51:21 · Joshua Goodman, Tracy Alloway, Joshua Goodman, Joe Weisenthal, Tracy Alloway, Joe Weisenthal
[00:51:21] S1: Of rat sightings. [00:51:21] S3: I remember you were a single issue voter in the war on rats. [00:51:25] S1: Yeah, I was. [00:51:25] S5: All right. [00:51:26] S3: Shall we leave it there? [00:51:27] S0: Let's leave it there. [00:51:28] S2: This has been another episode of the Odd Lots Podcast. I'm Tracy Alloway. You can follow me at Tracy Alloway. [00:51:34] S0: And I'm Joe Weisenthal. [00:51:35] S4: You can follow me at The Stalwart. Follow our guest Josh Goodman. He's at JSHGDMN. Follow our producers, Carmen Rodriguez at Carmen Armin, Dashiell Bennett at Dashbot, Cale Brooks at Cale Brooks, and Kevin Lozano at Kevin Lloyd Lozano. And you can chat about all of these topics 24-7 in our Discord, discord.gg slash oddlots. And for more Oddlots content, check out our daily newsletter, which you can find at bloomberg.com slash oddlots. [00:52:00] S2: And if you enjoyed this conversation, if you like it when we talk about how New York takes out its trash, then please leave us a positive review on your favorite podcast platform. If you're watching on video, then please like or leave a comment or better yet, subscribe. [00:52:15] S4: And remember, if you're a Bloomberg subscriber, you can listen to all of our episodes absolutely ad-free. All you need to do is find the Bloomberg channel on Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions there. [00:52:25] S3: Thanks for joining. [00:52:35] S1: So so