01:46:56 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays, Brian Manning
[01:46:56] S0: Well, is it scrolling? Oh, I guess even if it's scrolling, that's like a weird feature. But... Yeah. Mean... Let's just do fifteen m instead of fifteen min. [01:47:03] S1: Apple is just better than this. Yeah. I'm not gonna Do better. You know? I don't think it's on the new Yeah. CEO. [01:47:10] S0: I mean, the the the Grubinator, John Gruber over at Daring Fireball said that [01:47:16] S4: The Grubber, you mean? [01:47:18] S0: What? The Grubber. No, it's the Grubernator. The Grubernator and the Grubernator. The Grubernator was saying that it feels like he's to an extraordinary... He's gotten to use an extraordinarily polished prototype, but not a finished product that he'd want to buy and carry. Is... Which is not a good review. [01:47:38] S1: To go back to back with the VisionPRO and the Duo getting just appalling reviews. [01:47:46] S0: Oh, god. [01:47:48] S1: No. Getting the getting the it's a good prototype. Right? Yeah. Getting the it's a good prototype review is just like not Apple's standard. Right? I don't know. Patrick appears [01:48:00] S0: to be having fun. He says he's perfected the one handed flip, and I think this might... That's a... Apple is [01:48:06] S1: no longer better than this. They should be, but they're not. My disappointment is immeasurable.
01:48:06 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Brian Manning
[01:48:06] S1: no longer better than this. They should be, but they're not. My disappointment is immeasurable. [01:48:10] S0: Yeah. But watch Patrick flip this thing around. Tell me this isn't fun. This is great. Look. Okay. Flips it around. Flips it with one hand. Boom. Slaps it open. That's fun. That's great. You wanna do that. Yeah. Click. That's gonna be satisfying. It's a fidget spinner. It's got the same dynamic as a fidget spinner. This is gonna be a hit. Doesn't matter. [01:48:30] S1: It's [01:48:30] S0: huge. The software doesn't need to run. Just just brick it. Give me something just to play with. Put just... Brick it and just put one one page of text on there that I can just read, my mantra, and then that's good enough. I don't know. Unbelievable. The iPhone Duo display has been hiding a shocking secret. Somebody finally dailed... Dared to peel off the mad film covering the iPhone Duo's display. What they discovered Yeah. [01:48:55] S1: This is [01:48:56] S0: with the film. It looks surprisingly uneven. [01:48:58] S1: Way too dramatic. [01:48:58] S0: Don't pull don't pull the don't pull the matte film off. [01:49:02] S4: Yeah. The matte I I
01:49:04 · John Coogan
[01:49:04] S0: ripped the product apart, and it didn't work as expected. That makes no sense. Anyway, yeah, people are... You know, the polish is not quite there. Joanna Stern's been testing the product. She's folded it. Oh, she built the device or had a friend build a device that would fold it 32,000 times over and over and over again, and it seemed like it held up pretty well. So I don't know. Tae Kim doesn't like it, though. He says, half baked. Read this review before ordering. The initial enthusiasm on the neat opening duo animation has faded hard. It may all but disappear after the first wave of Apple fan early adopters. This is a very bad iPhone experience. I don't know. I think the software gets patched pretty quickly. These these things things move pretty quickly. And I feel like they should move very quickly in the age of AI coding. Like, if you're a small app developer and you're like, ugh. Like, yeah, 1% of my audience is using the iPhone Duo. Do I really wanna open up Xcode and sit there and rewrite all the views and get an Objective C or Swift and and and actually hammer out, you know, a layout that looks good. If you can point an AI agent at this and get it to... Get you 90% of the way there, maybe you'll do it a little bit faster. So I would expect some acceleration towards the software being good and functional very quickly. But it does look like after a bunch of folds, you can see the crease a little bit more. I don't think people will really care. I don't know. The crease doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Anyway, let me tell you about Shopify. Shopify grows with... Is the commerce platform that grows with your business and lets you sell in seconds in store, online, on mobile, on social, on marketplaces, and now with AI agents. Ben Thompson has, I think, yet to review the iPhone Duo. I'm sure he'll discuss it. He's talked about it a little bit, but he's also presented by Stripe now. That's huge news. I think we put up a card for it. Very, very great to see Now, sir. The techery partnering with a fintech company. Great partnership because Stripe is obviously a very successful company, but not the the hottest, most dramatic, oh, you gotta track earnings. Who knows?
01:51:11 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays
Maybe they'll never IPO, so Ben will never be called upon to cover Stripe earnings because they will never be reporting public numbers to be analyzed, but also a long lineage of working with Ben because he built his entire business on Stripe. And so very, very excited to see that and excited to to hear some ads and Struthecari finally. This has been our mission. [01:51:32] S1: This is our moment. [01:51:33] S0: We... The first episode... [01:51:35] S1: As much as this has been and Stripes moment, it's also our moment. [01:51:38] S0: Yeah. It really is. We gotta pat ourselves in the back here, take a little victory lap. Because when we started this show, we said our goal was to get every tech podcast to have advertising and we're pretty close [01:51:49] S1: to done. One step closer.
01:51:49 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Kevin Weil, Brian Manning
[01:51:49] S1: to done. One step closer. [01:51:50] S0: Pretty pretty close to done. I don't know. Is there anyone that's missing? I think Tyler Cowen, Conversations with Tyler. Although, Cowen, Conversations with Tyler, fantastic show. A little low on the ad load, personally. I don't think I've heard an ad in there ever. Occasionally promote live shows and specific events that are happening. I don't really count those. I want money in his pocket for those ad reads. But he's he's maybe moving over. It feels like he's moving over to the New York Times hosting Ross Douthit's old show, interesting times with Tyler Cowen now. New York Times. That's an advertising monster. So that's some good news in the world of advertising. You're be able to buy ads on a Tyler Cowen product for the first time. You can buy ads on a Ben Thompson product. You can buy ads on all in product. Of course, TBPN product. We got plenty of ad space. Yeah. Lock in. Anyway, anything else that we wanna talk about? There were a of going on. [01:52:46] S6: To end here [01:52:47] S1: Yes. This is kind of the dream daily [01:52:52] S4: for This [01:52:53] S0: is this is Eliezer Yudkowsky's car. We finally saw it. This is what he's doing. [01:52:58] S1: Can we get some sound? Because this thing sounds amazing. [01:53:01] S0: Please... Someone please be my ops. Is this real or is this AI? I can't even tell. [01:53:05] S1: No. This guy, I think, actually builds a bunch of insane vehicles. We gotta get him on the show immediately. Really, [01:53:11] S0: really cool. Mad Max c seven. It's a good...
01:53:11 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays
[01:53:11] S0: really cool. Mad Max c seven. It's a good... [01:53:18] S1: Look at that. [01:53:19] S0: I like the chains on the side. That's a really nice touch. [01:53:22] S1: Is this like a moving truck or not a moving trucker, like a... An old [01:53:26] S0: Looks like a dump truck. Ambulance or something. Yeah. Yeah. Dump truck or something. [01:53:30] S1: But this is the car of the future, everyone. This is gonna be how you get [01:53:33] S0: to When the grid goes down, this is what you're gonna wanna be driving. Get this vehicle. Lock it in. Get this get this get this going. Anyway. Anyways. Anything else you wanna talk about today? [01:53:49] S1: Oh, one more... One product suggestion for Lucy. I wanted you to build. I wanted you guys to make this. Okay. The gum watch. [01:53:58] S0: Oh, this is good. I hadn't thought about this. [01:54:01] S1: This a hitter. [01:54:02] S0: The gum watch. This is a real this is a real product. [01:54:06] S1: They called Crazy Planet. [01:54:07] S0: This would be a good drop from them. I I'm gonna send this over to the team. Crazy Planet. I'm surprised. I've seen a lot of like pouch holders, different different ways to hold your your nicotine pouches, your nicotine gum. But in the watches [01:54:22] S1: Having it on the wrist. It the [01:54:23] S0: wrist is good. I think I think you'd... That'd be a hit with you. [01:54:27] S1: And the final post of the day, just put the lightning in the bottle, bro. [01:54:31] S0: Just do it. Stop making excuses. [01:54:33] S1: Just put the fries in the bag and then put the lightning in the bottle.