00:49:45 · Adam Miller, Xharmagne Carandang, Michelle Gilmore
[00:49:45] S5: Yeah. [00:49:45] S0: The engineer prompt to be able to recognize if it's good or just BS that sounds so legit or even code or whatever expertise. Being able to recognize what is quality and then iterating on that and focusing on what actually is moving the needle would be so important now that we can [00:50:01] S5: do so much. So something like that. [00:50:02] S1: Craft in that is is the difference between something landing and something not out in market. Yep. And there's a a certain quality which is absolutely about the craft of, like, the written word coming back. But being able to understand language and distinction, being able to communicate really well, being able to clearly get your point across but rapidly. Yep. Like, there's something about, like, being able to be succinct and move quickly and be nimble and adapt. I think, like, emotional awareness is more powerful than ever. Mhmm. And being able to just try something without being scared of failing. So, like, scientific theory, prototyping, experimenting is so important. But, I mean, philosophy, those kinds of... The things that requires of us is incredibly powerful right now. [00:51:02] S5: Something I find quite ironic is that a lot of the things you said, things like writing, comprehension, like grammar, logic, all that stuff, we're not going to be learning that stuff as much because we're just outsourcing it to chat GPT. Like a lot of young people will be getting, you know, GPT to write their essays and stuff. And so a lot of what you said, that craft, like, kids by default won't be spending as
00:51:02 · Adam Miller, Michelle Gilmore, Sachin, Daniel Palmer
[00:51:02] S5: Something I find quite ironic is that a lot of the things you said, things like writing, comprehension, like grammar, logic, all that stuff, we're not going to be learning that stuff as much because we're just outsourcing it to chat GPT. Like a lot of young people will be getting, you know, GPT to write their essays and stuff. And so a lot of what you said, that craft, like, kids by default won't be spending as [00:51:24] S1: much time. Yeah. But my counter to that is though, most people are not good writers now, even the ones that are coming out of Theotry. I mean, I've I remember having 70, 80 engineers, and none of them could ride. Right? Like, they would they would try to communicate the outcome of something they'd built, and it was terrible. Yet the thing was brilliant. Mhmm. But they couldn't communicate it. There was no narrative. There was no use case. They hadn't tested it. Like, they... So that was traditional education. Mhmm. You know, I I read creative writing from, you know, late teens, early twenties. It's not like we've got a whole bunch of Shakespeare's kicking about, so I'm not sure. [00:52:10] S2: Interesting. There's a study that came out, I think it was the first one, about how cognition has dropped significantly from people that use ChatGPT. Ability I think it was literally function of the brain has dropped. [00:52:23] S1: But is that really using it as a search engine? Sorry? [00:52:26] S3: Yeah.
00:52:26 · Daniel Palmer, Georgie Healy, Michelle Gilmore, Adam Miller, Xharmagne Carandang
[00:52:26] S3: Yeah. [00:52:27] S4: I just think we don't think though, like, because we're using it as a search engine. When's the last time you deeply was like, let me get back to you all. Just have a think about that? Like I [00:52:38] S1: do that all the time. [00:52:39] S5: Do you really? [00:52:40] S4: Yep. I don't. [00:52:41] S1: Of course. Of course, my whole company this morning because I thought we were moving too fast. So everyone needs to stop and think. [00:52:47] S4: Yeah. [00:52:48] S1: Like, we're all in it. We need to zoom out. Yep. And I think that's a superpower. [00:52:53] S0: Yeah. Because just because it's a tool that you can you can do that with and not think, but you can be intentional as well and stop and pause and zoom out and think kind of thing. You can vibe code or you can augment your coding. It's the intention. [00:53:07] S3: What I'll say though is that I think this brings attention to a very important part of all this in my opinion, which is that a lot of the big hairy questions about how AI is going to impact the world, they need to be addressed quite urgently by government in particular. Like you mentioned, you're putting your child through school, reality is the vast majority of people are going to put their kids through school. [00:53:33] S1: Completely are. Even if you're like a year old, I'm pretty sure legally they'll [00:53:40] S4: track you down.
00:53:40 · Georgie Healy, Daniel Palmer, Michelle Gilmore
[00:53:40] S4: track you down. [00:53:42] S3: Homeschool, I think it's way more accessible to homeschool for wealthier people, for people with more access to time and money, right? And so I think in a world where most people have to send their kids to public schools, where the curriculum is entirely controlled by the government, it's really important that governments start thinking about this soon. And I don't think we can just rely on private enterprise to solve problems like this. [00:54:05] S1: Absolutely. I cannot agree more. And I would, A, could not homeschool my child from personality point of view. And my child will absolutely go to public school. So, you know, I think about this deeply. Right? I made a joke about it before, but underneath that joke is what will be eroded in my child's brain if this curriculum injures? Yeah. Given how far behind education innovation is, but also just innovation in general in Australia, like, are dumping way more money into regulation and governance in relation to AI than we are into innovation. I'm not sure that saying that regulation isn't important. I think it very much is, but Australia tends to do that, as opposed to equally investing in value creation, owning our own version of that, what that looks like for us, what that will look like for our markets, and regulation and policy concurrently. I do think they... That can happen in the... At the same time in the same time frames and actually form one another.
00:55:15 · Daniel Palmer, Michelle Gilmore, Georgie Healy
[00:55:15] S3: Totally agree. I think what scares me though is that I mostly see two types of people that I interact with, which are either folks that are outside of the tech world and they're completely against AI or like reductive to the impact that AI will make for understandable reasons. And then you have folks who are maybe too deep in the tech world and think like the way we solve this problem is we create some $400 a month app that integrates our kids. And so I think I'm really seeing a dearth of the middle ground conversation on these topics. It scares me, because I have... Maybe I just ignore both sides of tech. It's super fair. But I have one of my best mates, not to call him out, but he's a public school teacher and I think he would sooner sacrifice a limb than install ChatGPT because it's just so like, it's so counter to who he is. I think that, like, he's probably representative of a lot of folks who are outside of the tech space. It's like, rather than accept that, okay, this is gonna fundamentally change things, it's like, just turn it off essentially. And I think that's just as detrimental and dangerous as the other side of things. [00:56:31] S1: Yeah. But I was having a conversation over the weekend with an incredibly intelligent 21 year old who has decided to go back to a... Just a basic feature phone. [00:56:42] S4: Oh, have we got those friends? Dumb phones. Your phone. I want one.
00:56:42 · Georgie Healy, Michelle Gilmore
[00:56:42] S4: Oh, have we got those friends? Dumb phones. Your phone. I want one. [00:56:45] S1: So... Yeah. And her justification, I thought was really sound in that she... She's studying marine biology. She wants to focus on her study. She doesn't want the pollution in her head that is social media, that is sort of creating a negative energy in her world, and she's deep in study and deepening relationships, and she value... That's what she values. And so she's kind of taking herself very deliberately out of this, and she's sort of the fourth young adult that I've spoken to in the last week that's done this. That could be coincidence. That's a very small sample. But I think that's a very interesting marker. Right? That there is the pushing it away and then the bringing it where completely immersed. Yep. We are not representative of general population at all, but I think that there is something to be said for... Well, I'm I'm scared of that. And humans have done that when any revolution has happened.