Inspired with Alexa von Tobel
00:36:34 · Alexa von Tobel, James Cadwallader
[00:36:34] S0: I agree. [00:36:35] S1: And Karim did there was like nothing shy of a miracle. Like how do you attract these IOI, IMO geniuses to come and work on that idea versus, you know, build God at OpenAI. What we are doing is we are attracting that talent into our business to work on applying AI to the category of marketing. And I think if we can... Everything is downstream from that talent. [00:37:00] S0: Yep. We have only a few minutes. I have 100 more questions I want to ask you, but I'm going to make sure we focus on a few. Because you talked about something so interesting, which was that the future of social platforms become biozones for human data. And that's a big idea. Say more. So future of social platforms become biozones for human data.
00:37:27 · James Cadwallader
[00:37:27] S1: The labs are going in this world where they accidentally, well, in this world where it becomes very difficult for publishers to monetize their content because of that disintermediation. And maybe that doesn't emerge. There's lots of deals happening with publishers and labs, but there's also just a type of content that we take for granted that exists on the internet. Like Leila's flower blog that she did out of, she wanted to... Most people create stuff and push it to the internet for two reasons, status and money. And when it's an agent visiting Leida's flower blog to get the answer, you lack, there's no benefit status and you don't make any money because advertisers aren't paying to show ads to agents. So, you know, maybe for the fat head, like the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, you know, the big players, there could be a path through by doing deals with the labs. This like beautiful, abundant long tail of the internet, I think might struggle in this new world because what's the point in publishing that website anymore. So that all of that human exchange has to go somewhere. And I think it it, if you squint, you can start to see that, okay. Well, maybe that will be the role of social media. This bio zone we're referring to is that later, we'll publish a flower blog on x, for example. And, you know, she'll get rewarded by an X if the post goes super viral. So she has that financial opportunity. And there's also just status. People like, yeah, people we crave praise from our fellow humans. And that will, I think that the role of social media will be very important to block bots and agents from accessing that, from partaking in the conversation. It has to stay very human.
00:39:19 · Alexa von Tobel, James Cadwallader
[00:39:19] S0: I follow perfectly. It actually becomes this really important outlet where it is leaning towards human validation. [00:39:26] S1: Yeah. And [00:39:27] S0: protecting that will be important. [00:39:29] S1: Yeah. And interestingly, as usual, Elon is kind of ahead of the pack in that I think what we might see is this verticalization of social media with the labs. XAI being able to train on access, utilize all of that rich human interaction is going to create this flywheel that yeah, I believe is gonna separate them. Yeah. As the, a scenario where the internet that we know and love starts to die. Yep. That becomes a very important moat for the likes of XAI. And we see this happening all the way through to, you know, for humanoid robots collecting the data. Yep. You know, an API between reality and the Internet. Then we have this bio zone for humans to be able to exchange ideas and interactions. All of that rolls out to create one superintelligence that, again, Elon is very well positioned to [00:40:25] S0: To capture. To capture. Two last questions. Can you give us just one contrarian take of maybe a a view that you hold that you think others don't around kind of where the future is going. So a belief that you kind of have or see that maybe others don't have at all.
00:40:25 · Alexa von Tobel, James Cadwallader
[00:40:25] S0: To capture. To capture. Two last questions. Can you give us just one contrarian take of maybe a a view that you hold that you think others don't around kind of where the future is going. So a belief that you kind of have or see that maybe others don't have at all. [00:40:43] S1: I will short the idea that the labs will eat all their histories and that all knowledge work will be captured by two or three companies. Once you start working with the enterprise, as we do, the more time you spend with the enterprise, the more preposterous it is that there will be one company, Anthropic, that captures all knowledge work across all enterprises. It's hard to articulate, but it's just not how it works. [00:41:17] S0: Wait, I love that. That's a great hot take. That's a really good hot take. Okay, so last question is, you're on a rocket ship in a short period of time, an incredibly fast growing company. What's one thing you're doing to just stay sane? What's one new habit? How do you how do you keep James leaving this rocket ship? [00:41:38] S1: It's it's it's kinda corny, but, honestly, it's my wife. Aw. [00:41:42] S0: That's a great one to end on. [00:41:43] S1: I think she's very [00:41:45] S0: And newly married in March. [00:41:46] S1: She doesn't work in tech. She's supportive and interested in the sense that she should be, but like whether you'd like her to be, she's interested in what I'm doing, but she's not, yeah, I go home and we don't talk about the stuff that you and I have been talking about.
00:41:46 · James Cadwallader, Alexa von Tobel
[00:41:46] S1: She doesn't work in tech. She's supportive and interested in the sense that she should be, but like whether you'd like her to be, she's interested in what I'm doing, but she's not, yeah, I go home and we don't talk about the stuff that you and I have been talking about. [00:42:05] S0: That's because she's a fabulous interior designer. And so she just truly is having her own incredible life. [00:42:11] S1: Yeah. She's she's shouting wonderful, and, like, I tend not to go home and actually speak about my day much. I actually want the opposite. Like, when I get home, I I love hearing about her day, and almost like a bit of a wet wear reset. [00:42:23] S0: It's a reset. I [00:42:25] S1: Okay. Cool. Let's just talk about your stuff. And she's... Yeah. She's happy to to not wanna, like, dig into [00:42:32] S0: By the way, a plus husband. Great answer. I really love it. And you're absolutely right. Having somebody that truly is not seeped in your world is a really nice reminder that there's a lot going on elsewhere. James, we're rooting for you in every way. Congrats on everything. Thank you so much for creating so many jobs around this ecosystem. And I can't wait to see where you go. So thank you.