00:23:48 · Mark Jacobstein, Andrew Yang
[00:23:48] S2: And these are structural things like ranked choice voting and getting rid of gerrymandering and all the things that would having a third party or a fourth party or a fifth party, etcetera. [00:23:56] S0: Yeah. Yeah. Like, non nonpartisan primaries is the single biggest step. The the problem is that everyone's held captive by the 11% that are voting in the base of each party, and then they just run scared of them. And then they rubber stamp everything from that corner. And then the rest of us are like, what the hell is going on? So any techie in particular who digs into these incentive structures would be like, oh, I would expect really weird polarizing bad policy results from this system. And so the only logical thing to do is try and fix the system. It's very much a Silicon Valley approach. The problem is that people are tribal and, like, get dragged into this or that. I will say, I think a lot of people ended up siding with Trump in a way that, in my opinion, just saying, probably not shocking to people, was misplaced because I think Trump's an accelerant to the disintegration of various institutions. And I think it's not great. But I think it's a result of the fact that they didn't like what was going on in the previous administration and that you have this two sided system where you're like, oh, if I don't like these guys, then I guess I like these guys. And then the pendulum keeps swinging. I think most Silicon Valley people are actually somewhere in this in between zone naturally where you want
00:23:56 · Andrew Yang, Mark Jacobstein
[00:23:56] S0: Yeah. Yeah. Like, non nonpartisan primaries is the single biggest step. The the problem is that everyone's held captive by the 11% that are voting in the base of each party, and then they just run scared of them. And then they rubber stamp everything from that corner. And then the rest of us are like, what the hell is going on? So any techie in particular who digs into these incentive structures would be like, oh, I would expect really weird polarizing bad policy results from this system. And so the only logical thing to do is try and fix the system. It's very much a Silicon Valley approach. The problem is that people are tribal and, like, get dragged into this or that. I will say, I think a lot of people ended up siding with Trump in a way that, in my opinion, just saying, probably not shocking to people, was misplaced because I think Trump's an accelerant to the disintegration of various institutions. And I think it's not great. But I think it's a result of the fact that they didn't like what was going on in the previous administration and that you have this two sided system where you're like, oh, if I don't like these guys, then I guess I like these guys. And then the pendulum keeps swinging. I think most Silicon Valley people are actually somewhere in this in between zone naturally where you want [00:25:13] S2: Like, maybe abundance democrats is kind of their...
00:25:13 · Mark Jacobstein, Andrew Yang
[00:25:13] S2: Like, maybe abundance democrats is kind of their... [00:25:16] S0: Oh, yeah. You want good policy. You want results. You want your kids to be able to walk on the street without stepping over a homeless person or human feces or any of that jazz. You're pro data. You'd like to see good results and people make those decisions. You're not super ideological. By the way, this is an appeal I make to Asian Americans, too. I'm just like, guys, we're the pragmatic results crew. We're not the tribal warfare crew. Star Trek instead of Mad Max is the shorthand. But that crew, in my opinion, should be looking at this political system and be like, okay. Like, this is what needs to change.
00:26:00 · Mark Jacobstein, Andrew Yang
[00:26:00] S2: But this makes me think that, like, your hat should say systems, not math. I mean, math is shorthand for it, but, like... And and I get it that it's sort of data driven, but actually even more important than the math and the ability to extrapolate, etcetera, I feel like is the thinking from first principles. And I go back to like, how is it that Andrew Yang has done all of these extraordinary things? I feel like there was a lot of good first principle thinking. Like, I need... I'm going build venture for America because we need more good jobs in places like Detroit. So here's the thing I can do that will impact that or I'm going to reform the American political system because that's actually even more impactful than me being an individual politician. You could probably go run for congress. You could find a district right now. You have enough name recognition and they love you over at CNN, etcetera. You could you could find a place to go run for congress, etcetera, but you can probably do more... Have more impact as a systems thinker. And I think that's probably... If I think about, like, your superpower, that that... It's it's that plus the ability to actually, hang out with the regular guys, which, I think is a very rare thing for people who've actually chosen to run for office. [00:27:06] S0: There are definitely people who wanted me to run for this office or that office, and I wasn't as drawn to it in part because of what you're describing. Mark, I'm going to be a good entrepreneur and CEO right now and pitch why what I'm doing now is more beneficial.
00:27:06 · Andrew Yang, Mark Jacobstein
[00:27:06] S0: There are definitely people who wanted me to run for this office or that office, and I wasn't as drawn to it in part because of what you're describing. Mark, I'm going to be a good entrepreneur and CEO right now and pitch why what I'm doing now is more beneficial. [00:27:18] S2: Do it. Yeah. We we haven't we haven't had a chance to get to Noble Mobile, but I'm I'm very curious. And and, I love the idea of the tech entrepreneur trying to get people off of their phones. So so so so talk to us about Noble Mobile.
00:27:30 · Andrew Yang, Aditya Agarwal, Mark Jacobstein
[00:27:30] S0: Right. So I've determined that Americans are sad, and I've determined that Americans are sad for two big reasons. There are other reasons, but these are two big ones. Number one, they're not able to save enough money each month. And number two, they're spending too much time on what Hassan Minus One calls our rectangles of sadness, where I joke, it's like, look, it's not often that your neighbor runs up to you and screams in your face, but you do get that feeling from your phone kind of regularly that like you saw someone scream at someone, maybe they screamed at you even, and you're like, oh, like there's a conflict and like negative emotions. And then so you start thinking what's going on out there in the real world. Meanwhile, the real world, especially where you guys live, the weather is fine and people are just walking around, walking their dogs and their neighbors like another fine human. And so I thought, okay, how can I make progress on these two problems? And I was inspired by Mark Cuban's cost plus drugs, where he's buying generic drugs at bulk and then selling them back to the American people at a modest markup. Just to run this for you guys, and, you know, like successful Silicon Valley folks will get this, but then you don't care. And you'll see what I mean in just a second. Because you're in the West Coast, I'm guessing you're both AT&T guys, just a guess. [00:28:44] S1: Verizon for me. But yeah. [00:28:46] S0: Yeah. I was Verizon too. [00:28:47] S2: Helping to switch to Noble Mobile any day now.