00:19:01 · Andy Pavlo, Ruby Justice Thelot
[00:19:01] S1: It may be seen. I think the dashboards are useful for humans to comprehend things, but certainly agents doing, you know, natural language getting back responsive right away. You know, I I would think eventually, yes, but I still think you can imagine the, you know, integrating with a harness that can make you pretty pictures. [00:19:19] S0: Very fair. Very fair. Alright. Someone ships a database written mostly by agents. [00:19:25] S1: In 2028 or by by next year? What what's time frame? [00:19:29] S0: Eight. We're doing 2028 here. [00:19:31] S1: I mean, there's a bunch of efforts in this space now. I mean, people could ship it now. You'd be crazy to write anything that's about five coded. But... No. But clearly, this is where the the world's going. So whether or not the thing is entirely written by agents, like, from... Like, completely from scratch, I think that's happening now. But I think there's a bunch more guardrails, a bunch more testing and and verification stuff you need to do to make sure, like, you know, it it doesn't cause problems. [00:19:59] S0: Fair. Fair. PostgreSQL is still the default in five years. [00:20:03] S1: Hands down. Yes. Easily. Easily. No question. [00:20:06] S0: Nice. Yes. A 20... Yeah. [00:20:08] S1: I say this. In the same way that Linux is the default for operating systems now, Postgres is the default for for databases. [00:20:15] S0: Fair fair enough. Fair enough. Alright. This question is perfect for you as professor. A 20 year old should still major in databases.
00:20:15 · Ruby Justice Thelot, Andy Pavlo
[00:20:15] S0: Fair fair enough. Fair enough. Alright. This question is perfect for you as professor. A 20 year old should still major in databases. [00:20:24] S1: So I will say I tried to establish a degree in databases at the university that did not fly. So, you know, maybe just, you know, people still major in computer science, which you can specialize in databases because databases are the most important thing. So the answer is yes. I I don't think the the the the discipline of computer science doesn't go away just because you have agents. Yeah. Where things might trend to is a return to computer science's roots in applied logic, philosophy, in mathematics, so forth. Like, still think still need to understand the fundamentals of what computer science means and what computers can do for you. But the days of, you know, it's a bunch of... Writing a of JavaScript and say you're a computer science major, I think that that is gone. [00:21:14] S0: Yeah. That's fair. I was a computer science major back in my undergrad and I graduated the year ChatGPT came out. But I will say say one of the big benefits is you train your brain to be able to think in this almost puzzle and logic that I think is super valuable no matter how AI evolves and even if these skills aren't that valuable anymore, your brain being able to function that way is great. So that's why I'm [00:21:41] S1: It's still valuable.
00:21:41 · Andy Pavlo, Ruby Justice Thelot
[00:21:41] S1: It's still valuable. [00:21:42] S0: Thank you. Appreciate it. I need someone to hear that. Well, really wanted to thank you for joining us today on MTS. Big congrats to the ClickHouse team on all the launches. And if you saw earlier, MTS and ClickHouse had an announcement that went live early this morning at 08:30. They're officially our newest sponsor. We got our big jerseys. I'm, like, celebrating here with our, big ClickHouse merch. [00:22:07] S1: Well, you have to explain what the jersey is. Right? So so before they hired me, they sponsored the Fulham, Football Club in in the Premier League in in London. So that's... So it's not a random jersey. Like, hey. We made we made we made, you know, a soccer jersey. They actually sponsored the real team. I will say, though, they're not in last place. There's another startup in Silicon Valley that is sponsoring another football club. Those guys are less plays and might take relegated. ClickHouse is kind of in the middle, or they said Fulham is kind of in the middle.
00:22:35 · Ruby Justice Thelot
[00:22:35] S0: Alright. Middle is good. You know? You never know, but really wanted to thank you, Andy, for joining us and for the sick jerseys. These are not just merch jerseys. These are the official football jerseys, from from when you guys did that. So, Andy, really, you so much for joining us today on MTS. Big congratulations to the team on all of the launches, and we'll be back with more MTS. A huge thanks to MTS sponsors. Blitzy, autonomous software development for enterprise code bases. Ship five x faster. Blitzy.com. Adquick, make your brand a billboard out of home advertising as easy to scale as digital. Adquick.com. Arena, measuring AI performance in the real world. Arena.ai. Support for the show comes from VCX, the public ticker for private tech. The US stock market started history's greatest wave of wealth creation. From factory workers in Detroit to farmers in Omaha, anyone could own a piece of the great American companies. But today, our most innovative companies are staying private longer, which means everyday Americans are missing out. Until now. Introducing VCX, a public ticker for private tech. Visit getvcx.com for more info. That's getvcx.com. Carefully consider the investment material before investing, including objectives, risks, charges, and expenses. This and other information can be found in the innovation fund prospectus at getvcx.com. This is a paid sponsorship.