00:09:41 · Ty Morse, Adam Bry
[00:09:41] S0: Yeah. Well, if they haven't even gone to China to set up their supply chains, it's a little bit easier. Yeah. But if you're like twelve years into the company and suddenly your entire supply chain gets fucked, what does that feel like just in that moment? [00:09:53] S1: You know, I kinda like the fight, and there's different, there's different ways companies can react to this, there's certainly different perspectives within Skydio. You know, there's one school of thought of like, let's see if we can work with the US government to get some relief here and maybe broker some kind of deal. My perspective is the other side of it. I think this is the right direction. Think... So it's like game on. Know, like let's... This is this is a forcing function for us to do what we knew to be right anyways and so let's accelerate it. You know, there's nothing like burning the boats to motivate you to like to solve some hard important problems. And and that's basically like the approach that we've taken. And I think it's worked out well for us. Mean it has not been pain free, like at that moment we basically had to go into a mode where we were rationing batteries. We had fortunately a healthy chunk on the shelf, but we had to cut down to shipping one battery per drone, which was painful for us, super painful for our customers. You know, we're lucky that they came along with us on that journey and our internal teams did an incredible job of standing up new cells and new pack manufacturing in just a truly insane timeframe
00:09:53 · Adam Bry, Ty Morse
[00:09:53] S1: You know, I kinda like the fight, and there's different, there's different ways companies can react to this, there's certainly different perspectives within Skydio. You know, there's one school of thought of like, let's see if we can work with the US government to get some relief here and maybe broker some kind of deal. My perspective is the other side of it. I think this is the right direction. Think... So it's like game on. Know, like let's... This is this is a forcing function for us to do what we knew to be right anyways and so let's accelerate it. You know, there's nothing like burning the boats to motivate you to like to solve some hard important problems. And and that's basically like the approach that we've taken. And I think it's worked out well for us. Mean it has not been pain free, like at that moment we basically had to go into a mode where we were rationing batteries. We had fortunately a healthy chunk on the shelf, but we had to cut down to shipping one battery per drone, which was painful for us, super painful for our customers. You know, we're lucky that they came along with us on that journey and our internal teams did an incredible job of standing up new cells and new pack manufacturing in just a truly insane timeframe [00:11:02] S0: to close the gap. Were you flying around and meeting with a bunch of suppliers?
00:11:02 · Ty Morse, Adam Bry
[00:11:02] S0: to close the gap. Were you flying around and meeting with a bunch of suppliers? [00:11:06] S1: Yeah, I mean, were scouring the earth, yeah, well, scouring the free world, you know, The US and our allies around the world to find all the ingredients that it takes to build a battery that performs at the level that we need for these systems, and look, we came out of it the other side with better performance, which was surprising even to me, like we picked up a couple minutes in flight time going with a different cell and a different pack. [00:11:33] S0: There's this interesting idea of like trade offs, and one of the things that we talked about yesterday was there's a number of companies, I think DJI included, that are trying to do battery swapping docks, and so a drone will just land, have its battery swapped out, and immediately start flying again. But you basically said if you surveyed your customers or their use cases, it's very, very small, Or you'd increase flight time or something by 5% with a battery swapping doc. So how do you think about making product trade offs just informed by actual customer experience versus what sounds like a good idea, but may not in fact be actually useful?
00:12:08 · Adam Bry
[00:12:08] S1: So, we're increasingly in a position now of having really deep insight into how our products are being used, what adds the most value for our customers, and so product development is always a blend of a lot of different inputs. Like, you never want to only look at the data of what people are doing today because you're gonna miss the possibilities of what might exist, but you know when we're developing drones today, we're steeped in the data of existing usage and you know flight patterns, flight speeds, different mission profiles that people are flying, time between flights, all these things, and that informs the investments that we're going to make. So, something like battery swapping, you know, if it's free and it's perfectly reliable, add some value, but it's not free and because it's a more complex mechanism, it's also gonna cost you something in reliability and so it's a question of like what are the trade offs against other things that you could put your time and resources into and what's best for the customer. You know, one example of, you know, incredible series of inventions that's resulting in an incredible product that wouldn't fall directly out of the data is F10, which is a fixed wing drone that's robotically launched and caught, so basically lives in a drone vending machine, there's a robot arm that picks it up, releases it into the air, that thing has two hours of endurance, it's got a 100 miles an hour top speed, which is just a total paradigm shift in what you can do with autonomous dock drones in terms of the area that you can cover. So, this is like first response for sheriff's office that cover thousands of square miles, like somebody calls 911 in a rural area, it might literally take sheriffs an hour to get there on the ground, and this thing can be there in ten minutes providing real time situational awareness, you know, be like a lost hiker, potential fire starting, things like that. So that's a product that came out of a lot of conversations with customers and also our conviction in some core technology blocks that we could apply to bring these things together.
00:14:00 · Adam Bry, Ty Morse
So, it's always a mix of different sources, it's never just one thing that's gonna drive the development of a product, like, it's blending a lot of different inputs and then brokering the right set of like optimizations and trade offs to solve the things that matter most for the people that we're serving. [00:14:16] S0: When I was looking at the fix tween yesterday, Rob told me that basically you guys started the design process by just looking at the camera and what you wanted the camera to do, and then you designed the rest of the vehicle around that. [00:14:28] S1: Mhmm. [00:14:29] S0: How do you actually go through the design process on a new product like that?
00:14:33 · Adam Bry
[00:14:33] S1: So, this is the F 10 Light Runner drone, so the the really unique thing there is the the camera gimbal sits on the wing tip. So, you look at basically every fixed wing camera carrying drone that has ever existed for the history of the industry, payload is always in the center because that's where the mass is, that's where the drag is, and so from an aerodynamic standpoint, not putting in the center seems kind of crazy, but the problem with putting the camera in the center is that when the airplane is banked and turning and orbiting, once per revolution, that wing is going to block the field of view of the camera, and there's just no way around that, it's just like the most basic physics and visibility analysis out there, and that's a really terrible experience for the person that's operating the drone. Like, the ideal experience is you just have this magic camera floating in the sky that can look and see whatever it wants, And so, we think about the design of F10, that's basically what we're trying to deliver, is how can you deliver this experience of you basically just have this magic camera that goes wherever you want it to go, can look in any direction you want it to look, and delivering that with a fixed wing is incredibly challenging because you've got fixed wing dynamics, I mean the thing needs to keep flying forward in order to maintain lift, it needs to turn, it needs to maneuver, and so it's an integration of hardware and software like the motion planning algorithms, putting the wingtip out of the gimbal to accomplish it, and you know, said this is, that stuff's just like the most fun things in the world to me, we have incredible teams, like we're a full stack company, we control all the hardware, control all the software, we do all the manufacturing, so there's basically no rules except for physics for like what we can accomplish when we get, you know, like the world class engineering team sitting together and jointly optimizing. One of our core values as a company, and you say how do we think about product design? I say love the problem, get to the essence.